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Ratel74
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Merkel
#37582 - 16/09/05 06:31 AM

I am considering buying a Merkel Double in .375. I plan to use this gun as a shooter on the range for clients and something just fun to shoot. Any opinions or experiences?

Aleko

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500Nitro
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37584 - 16/09/05 06:36 AM

Aleko,

I am considering buying a Merkel Double in .375. I plan to use this gun as a
shooter on the range for clients and something just fun to shoot. Any opinions or experiences?

However I own a Merkel 375H&H Doubles and they are fine
and a few mates over here own them.

Just out of Interest, why a Merkel 375H&H which is an Extractor
and not a 9.3 x 74R Ejector by Merkel or Chapuis - or one of the others ???

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bonanza
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Re: Merkel [Re: 500Nitro]
#37587 - 16/09/05 07:01 AM

I have a merkel 375 H&H and love it. If you stick with H414 and 270 grain bullets the pressure is greatly reduced. I shoot the Barnes TSX groved bullets with great success. However the 9.3 is just as good.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: bonanza]
#37598 - 16/09/05 11:29 AM

As a range gun with clients I am limited by liability to shoot only factory ammunition, so .375is cost effective. I agree with the 9,3x74R being just as good,I have a Kreighoff intransit and it will have a set of 9,3 barrels fitted to it. Just a funny quirk, one of the first memories I have of Africa was a PH with a Holland and Holland in .375H&H, to me it is a gun that reminds of that first morning in the bush the first season I was there

Aleko

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500Nitro
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37602 - 16/09/05 11:56 AM

Ratel74

Then go for it.

You have multiple good reasons.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: 500Nitro]
#37604 - 16/09/05 12:19 PM

Now, what to you think about putting a scope on it? For clients especially I think it would be a good idea, I was planning on a 1,5x5 Leupold with 1" tube to keep the profile as low as possible.

Aleko

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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37610 - 16/09/05 01:48 PM

Aleko

I like the scopes to be as near to the true 1x as possible. The 1-4x Leupold I have on my 9.3mm is much faster than a 1.5x IMO.

Try both in the shop and see the difference with both eyes open.

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NE450No2
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Re: Merkel [Re: NitroX]
#37619 - 16/09/05 03:20 PM

Aleko
You know my feelings on a medium bore double. [I have a 9,3x74R Chapuis]. Also you know I would like to try a 375 H&H double to "test the envelope". Also EVERY double under 400 should have a scope fitted in QD mounts.
I will recommend 3 scopes for your 375 double.
Leupold 1.5x5 or the Leupold 2.5x8, I like the Heavy Duplex
in both scopes. Or the 1.5-6x 42 Swarovski with the circle dot illuminated reticle.
I have the 2.5x8 Leupold and the Swarovski in rings for my 9,3 double.

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bonanza
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37632 - 16/09/05 10:30 PM

Ratel,

You might want to consider a Chapuis if you want a .375 H&H. Here is why: the action is better suited for the high pressure and the Chapuis is already drilled and tapped for a scope. Buy the time you fit a scope to a Merkel it will be as expensive as the Chapuis. If you do go for it, I'll share my .375 loads with you.

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NE450No2
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Re: Merkel [Re: bonanza]
#37646 - 17/09/05 04:53 AM

Aleko
Bonanza has a point. The parallel hook arangement of the Chapuis may indead be stromger. Also the Chapuis pivot mount returns to zero.
Most of the Chapuis for the American market have the rib already cut for scope mounts. All it takes is removing 4 screws, lift out the 2 sections of rib, replace with the scope bases and tighten the 4 screws.

I sure like my 9,3 Chapuis, and I have shot 3 other 470's. All shot very good.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: NE450No2]
#37647 - 17/09/05 06:26 AM

I was under the impression that the Merkel had EAW mounts on it, it uses a system similar to the chapuis

Aleko

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AR2201
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37666 - 17/09/05 03:22 PM

Ratel74

Kahles produce a 1.1-4x24 this is available in standard and illuminated reticle options. NB. it has a 30mm tube scope.

I'm not sure a true 1.00 - 4 variable is optically possible I think the variables operate by multiplying the base magnification, I am happy to be corrected on this as a 1.00 to 4 (even 3) would suit me fine.

Another option to consider is a "Holosight" (not to be confused with dot points), offerings from Bushnell, Eotech and, I think, Doctor (not sure on that one). These are far from perfect (the controls especially), but, the sight itself has genuine merit.

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bonanza
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37709 - 17/09/05 10:56 PM

The 140.1 safari merkels do not have scope mounts. Think about it. The .375 and up in a DR rifle are for close in action. However, the "small bore" merkels are more general hunting rifles and I do think they come with scope bases. Blackbear hunter has a sweet 30-06 DR merkel. Ask him.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: bonanza]
#37726 - 18/09/05 02:43 AM

Ok here is one I was just offerd a Blaser S2 in .375. That has mounts, already set up. I am sure the topic has been debated time and time again. What is the frame size of the Merkel? Is it used for calibres up to .500?

Aleko

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500Nitro
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37727 - 18/09/05 02:47 AM

What is the frame size of the Merkel?
Is it used for calibres up to .500?

Yes - the 470 and 500 have the same Rim
diameter - or very close. It's the barrels that
have to be different.

Re Scoping a 375 Merkel - mine is scoped and is used
for more than DG hunting - it is very accurate out to
125 yards which is all I have tried.

375 Doubles are not only used for DG hunting - they
are perfect for deer as well.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: 500Nitro]
#37728 - 18/09/05 03:04 AM

I was planning on using for alot of sorted tasks. You bet I would shoot deer, and pigs with it !

Aleko

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Northman
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#37836 - 20/09/05 07:35 AM

Will the Merkel shoot solids like a Searcy?

I have read that the Chapuis has problems with them..

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500Nitro
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Re: Merkel [Re: Northman]
#37838 - 20/09/05 08:21 AM

If you mean Solids as in Steel Jacket / Lead core Woodleigh's,
Merkels are fine with them.

I have fired quite a few through my 375 and 470.

If you mean solid Brass ala Barnes X's, no I haven't and
I wouldn't.

Generally in the DR world, Solid means a Steel Jacket / Lead core
Bullet. Barnes X's etc etc should be referred to as Monometal.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: 500Nitro]
#37848 - 20/09/05 10:44 AM

I have a .375 double in transit! Looking at 2 more. I have a Leupold 1,5x5 for one. I'll look at a Kahles next week

Aleko

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Safarischorsch
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Re: Merkel [Re: bonanza]
#38121 - 25/09/05 08:05 AM

No! The new models of Merkel are prepared for scopemounts!

Just ask Merkel!

http://www.merkel-waffen.de/

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NE450No2
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Re: Merkel [Re: Ratel74]
#38125 - 25/09/05 11:27 AM

Aleko
Why don't you send me one of those scoped 375 Merkels? I will be happy to test it for you with factory and double rifle suitable reloads?

I am a big believer in a 375H&H double, I would be happy to test one for you.

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Ratel74
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Re: Merkel [Re: NE450No2]
#38131 - 25/09/05 01:57 PM

Tony,

You bet we can test it, let's find something to go use it on! I am very excited to get the S2, I have a Krieghoff Big 5 Classic too in transit. I am a believer in the mid bores too, they just always seem to work.

Aleko

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