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1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR
      #373078 - 13/01/23 01:45 AM

A pristine conditioned .375 flanged magnum rifle which was inbuilt in 1913 and received a replacement set of barrels in 1935. I bet the first twenty years of this rifles life could tell a thousand stories of magnificent trips to Africa and beyond.




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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: NitroX]
      #373082 - 13/01/23 03:50 AM

Indeed it likely could.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: DarylS]
      #373094 - 13/01/23 06:52 AM

Could have been neglected with the corrosive primers of the day - still would be interesting as to how much work this old girls done!

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: 93x64mm]
      #373097 - 13/01/23 07:59 AM

Clearer images would be great - for instance what's happening at the rear section of the top rib?

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: tinker]
      #373100 - 13/01/23 08:25 AM

Agreed, seems like something is going on, there.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: DarylS]
      #373107 - 13/01/23 12:40 PM

Oh to be a "Vintage Firearm Savant"! You know, someone who could actually hear the tales a gun like this could tell...

I.E. - Where it has been, what it has hunted, who has hunted with it, specific details about a particular hunt or trophy it has taken, etc., etc. etc....

Now that would be a super power I would like to have!





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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: FlatTop45]
      #373116 - 14/01/23 12:46 AM

What a wonderful treasure that is!!!

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: FlatTop45]
      #373118 - 14/01/23 03:18 AM

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Oh to be a "Vintage Firearm Savant"! You know, someone who could actually hear the tales a gun like this could tell...

I.E. - Where it has been, what it has hunted, who has hunted with it, specific details about a particular hunt or trophy it has taken, etc., etc. etc....

Now that would be a super power I would like to have!





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"If this rifle could only talk, it wouldn't talk to me!"

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: Huvius]
      #373126 - 14/01/23 06:35 PM

One thing I have always thought cool, is to insert a rolled page or scroll into the butt if a gun detailing it's time with you. Perhaps it's history if known. Maybe other owners could add to it over time. Of course nowadays a thumb drive could used and inserted but probably a bad idea as technology changes too quickly. Scroll and ink forever.

I found my grandfather's old firearms licence in a hole drilled in the butt if his shotgun under the screw on buttplate. A Silver's style recoil pad not as convenient. Perhaps under a small cartridge trap or similar?

Imagine some rifle made in 1913. Carried by a British officer on his posting to India. The .375 bought to be used on big game and medium game asca compromise. The marketing if the cartridge advertised it could use 300, 270, and 235 gr projectiles to the same point of impact. Regulation? The officer purchased a rifle and shotgun to high standards, almost more than he could afford, but the best he could afford. One of each. Rifle and shotgun.

Used in India on leave and social events. Regimental hunts. Invitations from important officials. Game drives, bird and hoofed. Even elephant back drives. Invitation by a royal Maharajah more than once.

Leave to hunt in Africa. In the Somalialand hinterland. Innew British East Africa.

World War One. Perhaps the officer's Regiment was shipped across the Indian Sea to BEA. To fight the askaris of von Lettow-Vorbeck. A long campaign. Did the cased rifle accompany the officer in his kit? Did the officer survive wounds and African pestilence?

Or was he shipped to the hellish trenches of the Western Front, Flanders. And did in the mud, filth, slow marches into machine gun fire? The rifle left at home with parents brother or wife?

The rifle moved on to a new owner. Was used on a rare Scottish Highlands red stag hunt. Or the owner travelled to the continent and hunted boar and stag in the European forests. Boar driven ahead of peasants. No elephant this time!

Ending back at H&H's, a Maharajah purchases the exhuisite double rifle, reconditioned, to add to his extensive armoury. Fir personal use? Or perhaps as a loaner for his many guests on large hunts and drives.again it sees sambhur, boar, bison, buffalo, leopard and tiger through its sights.

The Maharajah's heir and sin inherits the fine rifle among others. He prefers though the sun and ladies of the Rivierra to the jungles and mountains of Hindustan. When WW2 passes and independence is achieved, his special royal status finishes. Palaces and castles are lost. Loads of possessions are sold off to finance his South if France lifestyle with his pretty Italian model wife. The even more beautiful lady, the rifle is sold for a fraction of its value to an Indian gun shop. Ammunition is very hard to get, no one is interested in it. It sits in a back room rack oiled but gathering dust for decades.

Then an entreneurial Aussie ventures to India. Buys it and others by the dozen. Each for a few hundred dollars. Some guys by the names of their businesses of McDonakd/Woodleigh, Simplex reloading presses and dies, Bertram brass, have recreated the ability to reload ancient old Nitro Express cartridges. Hundreds of double rifles and single shots and other firearms are bought in India and arrive in Australia. Australia has more such doubles than anywhere else in the world. For a time. At least in use. The price goes from $2000, to 4000, 8000, 15000, arsehole Aussie profiteers start selling them for big money to US buyers and collectors. $30,000, 45,000, 80,000 even more is seen for the SAME double at auctions.

Perhaps the rifle was used again in Indian species, sambar and buffalo and Asian banteng. Feral pigs, donkeys, horses!

One such rifle was renamed "Zaberdast", awesome in Urdu. It started its life in the early 1900s. A plainer WJ Jeffery in .450 no.2 Nitro Express. It has seen those Aussie game plus African elephant, warthog as well. When I die I hope to leave it to someone suitable. Not beautiful but it does have history and is effective.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: NitroX]
      #373127 - 14/01/23 10:41 PM

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......When I die I hope to leave it to someone suitable. Not beautiful but it does have history and is effective.




Amen to that John, that's all we can for when we pass our treasures onto someone else!


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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: 93x64mm]
      #373129 - 15/01/23 02:04 AM

“...To Africa and beyond” . Well said John !!!! If only it could talk.
Beautiful gun,
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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #373140 - 15/01/23 08:33 AM

Beautiful rifle.

Would love it if all these “old” rifles and guns came with a little bio, updated each transaction!


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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: Rockdoc]
      #373151 - 15/01/23 04:49 PM

One of the joys of an old vintage gun is its history.

Warm walnut, blued steel. Not pristine. With history.

Of course dome prefer modern lifeless Tupperware rifles,vsterile, no history, no soul.

The Japanese believed the warriors soul continued in the blade of their swords. Perhaps a small part of my soul will reside in Zabardast one day.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: NitroX]
      #379297 - 12/09/23 04:56 PM

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A pristine conditioned .375 flanged magnum rifle which was inbuilt in 1913 and received a replacement set of barrels in 1935. I bet the first twenty years of this rifles life could tell a thousand stories of magnificent trips to Africa and beyond.







What an heirloom it would make.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: NitroX]
      #379405 - 17/09/23 08:20 AM

Gorgeous. Be one of the first flanged mags. Love the qd sidelocks.

Those entrepreneurs bringing Indian rifles to Australia are responsible for our ability to continue to shoot them, with the basic materials to reload them having been made here and exported os for decades.

On the rear of the the top rib appears a fold-up peep sight, similar to that used by Robert Redford in the Lion Scene in Out of Africa.

Would love to handle that rifle.

My 1906 500/450 3 1/4” Royal had a set of 375 Flanged Mag barrels made by (and confirmed as such) Holland and Holland. That must have cost a pretty penny!


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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: Rockdoc]
      #379408 - 17/09/23 03:42 PM

I only hope replacement barrels were done by Holland.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: Ahmed577]
      #379412 - 17/09/23 08:42 PM

Me too.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: NitroX]
      #379414 - 17/09/23 11:23 PM

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One thing I have always thought cool, is to insert a rolled page or scroll into the butt if a gun detailing it's time with you. Perhaps it's history if known. Maybe other owners could add to it over time. Of course nowadays a thumb drive could used and inserted but probably a bad idea as technology changes too quickly. Scroll and ink forever.





~1992 ran into a fellow that bought a Mosin-Nagant that had a strange purple waxy stuff slightly oozing from under the buttplate. He took off the buttplate and just as you suggest, found a roll of obviously elderly onion skin paper with minute Russian writing on it. He didn't know Russian and it took him a while but finally found a professor at, I think U of I (which ironically is in Moscow, Idaho!) who was Estonian or Latvian I think, regardless, who read and understood Russian. The woman translated the writing for him. Turns out it was from a Russian soldier who defected at the end of World War 2, taking advantage of the momentary chaos to cross the Bering Strait w/ some others and hide out in Alaska. As memory serves, he worked his way down thru Alaska, eventually being connected to a contact in Vancouver, Canada who was part of a "underground railroad" assisting defectors. I think a doctor or dentist. The Russian afterwards slipped into the USA and settled in Montana, doing woods work. He cited being married and having a baby and then the story ended.

Our guy found the rifle at a swap meet and had it for some time before deciding to investigate the purple stuff, which turned out to be candle wax.

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Re: 1913 Holland & Holland .375 Flanged Magnum DR [Re: 9.3x57]
      #379416 - 18/09/23 02:48 AM

Interesting story, Rod. Makes a person wonder at possible #'s of such defectors and how he could possibly make it to Montana still in possession oh the rifle.

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