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Rule303
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Re: Big Bores and Brown Bears [Re: 458Win]
      #375139 - 15/03/23 08:26 AM

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Bullet construction and shot placement ALWAYS TRUMP “power”. And I don’t care who you are, long range shooting ALWAYS is detrimental to bullet placement !



Agree with one over rider. That the bullet has enough energy "power" to reach the vitals.

Re long range shooting. In my younger years when I did a hell of a lot more shooting I considered 300mts to be long range. Now days 200mts is a long shot for me. I use to be competent to shoot to 200mts standing unsupported, nowadays if it is over 50 mt I am looking to adopt a supported position if possible. The game I am talking about are animals the size of pigs.

What I am getting at is the term Long Range is different things to different people. To me 600mt + shots at animals are plain unethical. Way to many things to go wrong.

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DarylS
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Re: Big Bores and Brown Bears [Re: Rule303]
      #375145 - 15/03/23 09:47 AM

Exactly- too many things can and do go wrong on long shots. Shooting steel at 600 to 1,000 meters is one thing, but it is not ethical hunting, imho.
Now, that has one caveat, shooting vermin. I have shot a lot of ground squirrels at over 500yards - iirc, 560 was my longest poke. I have seen in type that some guys are able to shoot coyotes at 700yards with custom 204 Rugers and 40gr. bullets. Again, this seems OK, but not big game. Not for me, anyway.

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458Win
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Re: Big Bores and Brown Bears [Re: DarylS]
      #390010 - 27/02/25 06:21 AM

I am currently in my 46th year of guiding bear hunters in Alaska and it seems every year I see more and more clients who are attempting to purchase competence by using the newest larger, flatter shooting magnums equipped with massive scopes.

Many are competent with a rest from the bench but have trouble hitting anything over 50 yards offhand

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DarylS
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Re: Big Bores and Brown Bears [Re: 458Win]
      #390014 - 27/02/25 11:41 AM

My experiences as well Phil, although my guiding experience pales in comparison to yours.
As to bench shooting, some clients cannot even do that well at 100yards, let alone further out.
3 exceptions stand out. 2 lads from England, David Chapman, a meat dealer and Dave Stutley, of Stutley Bros. gun shop. The 3rd was a chap from Hungary, who put his rifle together out of the case, clamped on the scope on then to check his zeros, proceeded to put 3 Sako factory 9.3x62's into a 1" group at 100yards exactly 3" over the bull. That was how he sighted it in, in Hungary. His offhand shot on a grizzly at 20 yards was quite properly done as well, bear just dropped.
The 2 lads from the Uk, helped me with a 2 1/2" 6 shot offhand group with an open sighted .75 calibre muzzeloading rifle (built by my Bro) using open sights, of course. The range was only 50yards, but - it WAS 50 yards & our 2 shots each landed into a 2 1/2" group on centers, 2" over the bull. Spot-on for a 100yard shot. 150gr. of powder + a 600gr. ball is not a heavy load, though.
Some clients can shoot.

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Daryl


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