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CharlesHunter
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New to me MS 243 1956
      #363218 - 08/03/22 06:59 PM

Firstly I still can not work out how to post photos to this site even following the instruction posted in multiple places. Very frustrating.. and rant over!

Walked into one of my local gunshops for something entirely different and walked out with another rifle!

In this circumstance it is a Manlicher Schoenauer or perhaps more correctly, a Mannlicher Steyr. I believe, based on searching through this site and others, it to be a 1952 GK, it has the swept back polished bolt handle, bbl and action stamped "60", European stile full stock with the Steyr Pivot mounts, Pecar 6 x 59 in .243 cal. Unfortunately, the mounts cover the model designation as they are fitted to the front receiver ring so the only other markings I can report are "Steyr Daimler Puch" on the side of the receiver marking, the Steyr "Target" logo on the Magazine floor plate along with John Sark & Co Sydney also on the floor plate.

Despite being involved with the firearms trade, shooting and collecting for many years in AUS, I do not know of this company. If any of the Aussie members know anything about Sark & Co I would appreciate any information. An internet search only produced an auction sale from of Ferlach Drilling also marked with their name.

Cheers Steve


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CharlesHunter
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #363238 - 09/03/22 01:42 PM

Minor correction it should be John Sarks & Co. Sydney

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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #363249 - 09/03/22 05:52 PM








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CharlesHunter
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: yumastepside]
      #363251 - 09/03/22 06:36 PM

Thank you for putting the picture up very much appreciate

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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #363254 - 09/03/22 07:24 PM

Useful little M-S for South Australia.

I have recollection of Sarks, but no idea where or why?

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CharlesHunter
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: NitroX]
      #363256 - 09/03/22 07:38 PM

Yes indeed it is a good calibre for SA and will probably take it out for some goats in the not to distant future. Silly thing is I gave all of my .243 brass, left over factory ammo etc. to a friend that recently bought od nice Ruger M77 and delayed at the time " I will never have another .243" Oh well!

Purchased a box of Rem 100gr factory ammo with the rifle and fired a few rounds at my local range. My friend and I both shot the rifle and it shoots about 1/4 low at 100 yards, dead centre and grouped less than an inch. This was all done without touching the scope adjustments. Will probably just buy a couple of more boxes of Factory Remingtons and not bother loading.


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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #363278 - 10/03/22 05:09 AM

Nice rifle. I kept all my .300 Win, Mag., .243 and 22-250 brass and ammo, just in case.

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JDL
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: DarylS]
      #363289 - 10/03/22 12:26 PM

Very nice little M-S Stutzen from 1960.

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Louis
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: JDL]
      #363313 - 11/03/22 02:30 AM

Very smart little stutzen in a top calibre; congratulations on your acquisition!
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CharlesHunter
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: Louis]
      #363347 - 11/03/22 06:23 PM

Yes very happy with it. Not quite contemporary with my Lee Speed but still a nice companion piece.

Cheers Steve


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paradox_
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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #364849 - 23/04/22 07:21 PM

Looks like the front mount has been incorrectly fitted??. Typically this style is " around" the barrel knox....not the reciever ring.
Nonetheless a nice example ...congratulations.

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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: paradox_]
      #364851 - 23/04/22 08:07 PM

Quote:

Looks like the front mount has been incorrectly fitted??. Typically this style is " around" the barrel knox....not the reciever ring.
Nonetheless a nice example ...congratulations.

Best
Eric




To me that doesn't appear to be a Steyr 'factory' front mount.
Notice the rear mount is blued to match the firearm.







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Re: New to me MS 243 1956 [Re: CharlesHunter]
      #364853 - 23/04/22 09:11 PM

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In this circumstance it is a Manlicher Schoenauer or perhaps more correctly, a Mannlicher Steyr. I believe, based on searching through this site and others, it to be a 1952 GK, it has the swept back polished bolt handle, bbl and action stamped "60", European stile full stock with the Steyr Pivot mounts, Pecar 6 x 59 in .243 cal. Unfortunately, the mounts cover the model designation as they are fitted to the front receiver ring so the only other markings I can report are "Steyr Daimler Puch" on the side of the receiver marking, the Steyr "Target" logo on the Magazine floor plate along with John Sark & Co Sydney also on the floor plate.







Your rifle is, by definition, a Mannlicher Schoenauer (Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer). What makes it so is the Schoenauer magazine.

Sporting Mannlicher Schoenauers were produced from the M1900 prototypes as introduced at the Exposition Universelle at Paris of that year through the M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910, M1924,'High Velocity' (oft referred to by collectors as 'M1925') of the pre WW2 period and continued postwar with M1950 followed by the GK (Mod 1952), MC (Mod 1956), MCA (Mod 1961), Magnum and NO models produced through 1972.

Mannlicher Schoenauers were also produced for the Greek military as Models Y1903, Y1903/14, Y1903/14/27 'Breda', 'System 1930' and variants; all chambered for the 6.5X54MS proprietary cartridge (as were the M1900, M1903).

The M1905, M1908, and M1910 were chambered for MS proprietary cartridges of 9X56, 8X56, and 9.5X57, respectively. M1924 and later models had a longer receiver to accept the 'U.S. 1906 Cartridge' (.30-'06) in the M1924 and a variety of cartridges through subsequent models.

During that time the manufacturer's name changed from Oesterreichische Waffenfabrik Gesellschaft Steyr (OWGS) to Steyr Werke AG in 1926 and from that to Steyr Daimler Puch in 1934.

Since MS production ceased in 1972 (73?) the company name has again changed to Steyr Mannlicher AG in 1989 and, more recently, to Steyr Arms in 2019.


Hedre's a way to post photos and images. Works for me: Post Images to NE






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