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DUGABOY1
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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #36076 - 19/08/05 12:41 AM

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Mac,
The bloke that owned those gold plated Wbys could have walked into H&H and bought every rifle with the cash in his pocket. He was a Texas oil man and one of the origianl investors in Weatherby.




MIKE,the guy you are speaking of was Clayton Williams, from Odessa, Texas, and as I've often said the amount of money in your bank account, doesn't mean you have taste! Williams is the guy who was running for governer of Texas, against Ann Richards, and made the political suiside statement on national TV,speaking him winning the election,and his opinion of what Richards should do. QUOTE "This is like RAPE, if you find it is enevitable, just relax, and enjoy it!" UNQUOTE! His backers dropped him like a hot potato. Some of guadiest cars, jewelry, and guns I've ever seen, have belonged to some of the richest people in the world! It is evident this guy knew more about oil, than women, and guns!

All kidding asside there is nothing wrong with Weatherby rifles, that a good firearms engineer couldn't fix by re-designing the action, stock, chamberings, and finish! RELAX AND ENJOY IT!

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #36077 - 19/08/05 12:51 AM

Mac,

Herb Kelin owned those rifles.

The ones that Elgin Gates were supposed to be pretty hot as well but I think there is only a fe black and white pictures of them.

Mike

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #36078 - 19/08/05 01:35 AM

Mac,

Check this Mauser stuff. Only the inlays are missing.

Also typical Mauser with a recoil lug for the 222 and the tang designed to split the stock

http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen___Arms/MAUSER_Jagd___Hunting/Bilder___Pictures/bilder___pictures.html

The action would need a barrel lug if it was chambered in 270

http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen___Arms/MAUSER_Jagd___Hunting/Bilder___Pictures/MAUSER_MAGNUM_40/mauser_magnum_40.html

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #36079 - 19/08/05 01:45 AM

Your right, my mistake! It was Kline.

I used to love to read Elgin's articles in the magazine. Most of Elgin's Wby rifles were the old ones made on FN Mauser actions. Regardless, Elgin could shoot, anything, and he was hell on Pistol silhoutte. He also had the advantage of being wealty enough to hunt all over the world.

Speaking of WBY, there is one thing they stamp their name on, I'd love to have, and that is the best grade O/U shotgun they sell as a WBY product, which of course it isn't!

Back in about 89 I won a Superbowl pool, that included $8000 worth of guns, and a Browning Pro-steel gun safe. Included, in it, was a WBy 460 Wby Mag rifle,and a Mod 70 chambered for 300WBY MAG,both of which I promptly sold,unfired. The money took some of the bite out of the price of a nice Westley Richards 500/450 NE double rifle. Im happy, and the guys who got the Wby, and the Mod 70 were too! Even if you're poor like me, you can still have taste. You just have to work harder at it, but being lucky, doesn't hurt anything! I would have liked to have kept the Mod 70, but I already had a pre 64 m-70 chambered for 300 H&H mag, but had no inerest in the 460 at all.

It makes no difference what you choose to shoot, as long as it makes you happy, so lets go hunting for a couple of Cape Buffalo, talk guns around the campfire!

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #36082 - 19/08/05 02:01 AM

It makes no difference what you choose to shoot, as long as it makes you happy

A conclusion I came to many years ago was that the keen guns and ammo orientated shooter tends to be led or sub consiously shoots where his choice rifles work well and that is one of the reasons that keen shooters get OK results with everything from a Shilo in 45/90 to a 30/378.

If I was a double rifle man I imagine I would virtually do all my shooting with a double rifle.

Mike

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #36084 - 19/08/05 02:04 AM

A blast from the past

http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/images/db/static/jan05_safari/weatherby1.jpg

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #36086 - 19/08/05 02:14 AM

The Southgate store was destroyed by fire in one of the LA riots. At least they weren't dumb as a list of stores to loot before burning was found after the fires. W'by was at the top. They are now in Atascadero.

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #36087 - 19/08/05 02:37 AM

Mike, W'by also has problems with stocks splitting. They had to add glassed in cross pins in the wood behind the recoil lug. Their stock design is horribly weak in the wrist resulting in many cracks. They fixed this by adding a 5/16" steel pin about 4" long glassed into the wrist. This allowed them to use poorly laid out (but pretty) wood that was weak in the wrist. Unfortuneately, if you 1) Forget to add the pin; and 2) Don't check for not putting in the pin, and 3) have a poorly laid out piece of wood, and if Saco who makes the metal also doesn't check for the missing pin; the following results. In 1997, their wood was cut and finished in Italy and shipped to W'by for inspection. The inspection was for blemishes only and missed the fact that the hole for the pin was drilled but the pin was not installed. The wood was absolutely perfectly wrong in the wrist. Wood has only 5%-10% of full strength with cut against the angle. In addition, there was a raised metal star with the rear forming a wedge on the rear of the floorplate where the rear screw goes through. This wedge kept beating against the wood until a crack started. It lasted long enough to sight in. When the new owner pulled the trigger on a buck from a tree blind in Texas, the stock split in two at the wrist and the scope hurtled back into his nose and LEFT eye rendering him unconscious for 5 hours and resulting in brain damage. Big lawsuit. I now always check new W'bys for the pin. The older guns do not have the pin, but have better grain flow. It is a good idea to add that pin to older guns anyways. The cross pins, too.

On Mausers and other guns, it is a good idea to glass in the steel cylinder that the rear tang screw enters. This adds strength.

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Peterb]
      #36089 - 19/08/05 03:11 AM

Peter,

I agree with your post.

Although the wo 460s I ordered from Roy were about 197 rifles and the shit shot out of them because we put a bag of lead shot behind them. My last 2 378s were 1990s rifles and they also has the shit shot out of them.

But as a factiry rifle comes they are bedded and I also like the barrel lug being on the barrel reinforce. Also, if all else is equal the big tang that sits on top of the wood is always better.

Two of the faults with the action is the small amount of stock material behind the recoil lug and with the deep lug and screw into the lug there is not much wood between the bottom of the lug and the floorplate.

Actually I can list more faults with the Mark V than about any other action. However, I like the overall package and that even includes the way they are imported to Australia.

In my opinion they are at their best value in the 378 based calibres. Even starting with a new CZ in 416 Rigby and rebarreling to 378, getting a muzzle brake etc costs a fair bit.

Mike

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Peterb]
      #36161 - 20/08/05 05:13 AM

In reply to:

Mike, W'by also has problems with stocks splitting.



I don't know about the WBY stocks being prone to split, but I do know that a Mauser stock that crack behind the tang was stocked by someone who didn't know what he was doing!

Anyone who has ever done much custom stock work, knows the wood is always releaved behind the top tang on a Mauser! I have 10 or 12 Mauser rifles that I stocked, and have stocked about 50 others. Of the ones I have now the smallest chambering is 7mm mag, and the largest is a 458 LOTT,and none of these or the other 50 have ever cracked the stock anyplace! Maybe I'm just lucky, what cha think?



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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #36167 - 20/08/05 05:57 AM

I have stocked about 100 Mausers and have never has one split, but then I am careful about such things. Splits are more commonly seen on shotguns. Maybe this is because they are shot many more times than rifles, on the average. Most factory rifles are drop-ins. Most custom rifles are bedded more accurately. Military rifles seldom split from firing. The grips are straighter and they are much thicker on the average, too.

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Re: Tuxedos and brown shoes !! Double rifles!! [Re: Peterb]
      #36168 - 20/08/05 06:10 AM

I use to bed a lot of Sakos and always had some masking tape around and just under the edge of the tang.

I do the same with that little square section under the tang of the M70.

Although a lot of people on these forums hate them the Rem 700 has the biggest recoil lug in the business and more stock material behind the recoil lug.

If I could have an action of my own design it would be a well made M70 Push Feed but made big enough for the 378/Rigby case and with in line feed.

Mike

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