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crshelton
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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: Postman]
#348520 - 27/12/20 02:02 PM

Well said, Postman.

In a similar vein, my low end DG caliber starts with .411.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
#348526 - 27/12/20 06:01 PM

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Well said, Postman.

In a similar vein, my low end DG caliber starts with .411.

I agree. Bell took a lot of Elephants with a 303, 6.5 and 7X57 this does not make them a DG cartridge. I would hunt Big DG with a 375H&H maybe a 9.3X64 loaded up or a 358RUM but only if I could not have a 416 or larger cal and with selected bullets.

The cats I would prefer the 375H&H etc any of the 9.3's but prefer the X64 or 358Norma up.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: Rule303]
#348535 - 28/12/20 05:56 AM

In our bullet tests in Africa, we found that the 300 grain .458 Nosler Protected Point at 2200 fps was most/very effective on Leopard. Especially big, old Toms eating livestock:

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: crshelton]
#348563 - 29/12/20 12:08 AM

I think the fact the average hunter is a client hunter when hunting dangerous game says a lot. They also often as a result use lighter firearms, and the PHs prefer a client who can shoot what they bring along, and hopefully has used it before they arrive. A client with a 9.3mm or a .375 who can shoot it would be far better than one with a .500 who flinches with it.

BUT if you have a rifle and rely on someone else getting you out of the shit if it happens, you are carrying an inadequate firearm. In my opinion.

IMO a stopper rifle and a dangerous game rifle are largely the same thing.

If you are a cool shot, a 9.3x62 should be adequate for everything and anything and in any situation ..... Ha ha ... a very cool shot! There is NO WAY I would hunt elephant with a 9.3mm or a .375 if I was on my own. Well I would if I had to, but I would prefer something bigger and heavier hitting.

If I was a guy in the "old days" and shooting hundreds of buffalo, elephant and the like, yes, I might well use something "medium". But you know there are always those times when that bigger cannon is needed.

One might hunt most of the time with that "medium" rifle, but when the heavy jess, jungle needs to be entered, or that wounded beastie needs to be put down, that "stopper" rifle is called for. That "cool shot" might not be possible.

In the older days, the "big bores" started at the .450 and up. Sub .450 to .375, and maybe 9.3mm, .360, .350. .333, .330 etc were medium rifles. To varying extents. Small was 8mm or .30 and below.

If you are a deer hunter, WOW that .375 is big and un-necessary.

If you are a buffalo hunter, that .375 or maybe 9.3 mm is standard and a minimum.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
#348564 - 29/12/20 12:12 AM

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If you are a deer hunter, WOW that .375 is big and un-necessary.

If you are a buffalo hunter, that .375 or maybe 9.3 mm is standard and a minimum.

BTW here where most only shoot rabbits, hares and foxes, and maybe occasionally roos, I remember my Dad showing someone a .30-06 round I had for my new (second hand) rifle, and the guy asking what I needed such a cannon for? Compared to a huge .222 Rem, compared to a .22 RF, that .30-06 is a monster cartridge.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
#348577 - 29/12/20 03:31 AM

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If you are a deer hunter, WOW that .375 is big and un-necessary.

If you are a buffalo hunter, that .375 or maybe 9.3 mm is standard and a minimum.

BTW here where most only shoot rabbits, hares and foxes, and maybe occasionally roos, I remember my Dad showing someone a .30-06 round I had for my new (second hand) rifle, and the guy asking what I needed such a cannon for? Compared to a huge .222 Rem, compared to a .22 RF, that .30-06 is a monster cartridge.

A 7mm-08 makes a fine whitetail cartridge, and is probably the most perfectly suited for the job. A .30-06 is plenty fine too although maybe a tad more than one needs for the job, but is EXTREMELY popular in Ontario. A 9.3x74r? I’m probably the only person in the entire province that uses one for deer hunting..... way overpowered for the job, but mine is a double rifle and for me, it is an opportunity to hunt with it for the cost of a tag, gas money, and hunt camp food. My hunt camp buddies think I’m a little bit eccentric anyhow, so no harm, no foul!!!!!!

And back to the subject at hand, I couldn’t agree more with what NitroX has said about hunting vs stopping, vs getting oneself out of a sticky spot when actually hunting real DG.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
#348580 - 29/12/20 03:39 AM

I'm in the process of reading Teddy Roosevelt's "African Game trails" He spent several months in Africa using three different rifles. The 03 Springfield (30-06), the 95 Winchester (405 Win) and a Holand/Holland 450/500. He shot the majority of the game with the 30-06 including Cape Buffalo, Lion, Elephant, Rino, and even hipo's. Must have been a hell of a marksman as he shot many animals a 300+ yards with iron sights. using mostly full metal jacket military's ammo. The book was written in 1920.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: aromakr]
#348581 - 29/12/20 03:46 AM

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Must have been a hell of a marksman as he shot many animals a 300+ yards with iron sights. using mostly full metal jacket military's ammo. The book was written in 1920.

Ah no, he was not. Lots of wounded animals and multi shots. Cringeworthy when I read about it.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: NitroX]
#348638 - 30/12/20 02:43 AM

John:
That was in the early 1900's, attitudes were quite different then, and he did comment how he did not like wounding animals !

Bob

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: aromakr]
#348641 - 30/12/20 03:17 AM

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John:
That was in the early 1900's, attitudes were quite different then, and he did comment how he did not like wounding animals !

Bob

He’d have cared a whole lot more if he had to pay the license fee for every wounded and escaped animal. $9k for a sable in the Caprivi is one mighty expensive drop of blood if the animal isn’t recovered!!!!

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: BillfromOregon]
#357980 - 10/11/21 08:33 AM

With Dr. Kevin Robertson‘s (The Perfect Shot) 9.3x62 more than 650 buffalo were killed. That‘s all I need to know regarding killing power of 9.3x62 and 9.3x74R.

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Re: 9.3s and dangerous game [Re: Sunshine]
#358003 - 11/11/21 01:53 AM

I have been pleased with the performance of my two rifles chambered in .405 WCF, another "old" cartridge with some life still in it. Both my Winchester 1895 .405 TD and my Simson Suhl .405 DR shoot their standard 300 grain bullets (And NF handloads) at 2250 fps and 400 grain Weldcores at 2100 fps and both are very handy.

In fact, due to the combination of power and handy size, my 1895 .405 has become my favorite big bore stalking rifle and has taken water buff with 300 grain NF and Cape Buff with 400 grain Woodleigh; one shot did the job in both cases.

Red deer Hind for meat with Hornady 300 grain load.

PS Nothing against the "metric" calibers, I just do not need them.

The same for my 1886 TD .45-90. Modern application of a proven dated design which has yet to meet a critter it cannot kill.

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