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lapua
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Reloading 45/70 Gov levers
      #355829 - 08/08/21 08:42 AM

Bought a Chiappa 1886 TD Ridge chrome 12” BBL
POWDER H4189 , hard cast coated 405 GR bullet

Starting 40gr anyone reloading modern 45/70 lever actions ?

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lapua
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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: lapua]
      #356056 - 14/08/21 06:12 PM

ok no one does here lol

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: lapua]
      #356069 - 14/08/21 11:13 PM

Yes, I do. What was the question?

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: Hoot]
      #356119 - 17/08/21 08:18 AM

A 12" barrel? I'm guessing that is a typo…..

Have a Browning/Miroku 1886 (rifle length)
I load the Lyman 457193 that is about 420 grains from wheel weights and standard lube using H4198 to about 1750'/sec

As Hoot said, what is your question?

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #358270 - 18/11/21 10:22 AM

I load a Browning 1885 and a Marlin XLR.

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: Trailboss]
      #358308 - 19/11/21 01:35 AM

Quote:

I load a Browning 1885 and a Marlin XLR.













I have that same Marlin.. carry it with me a lot while riding horse on the ranch in the fall and spring .. mainly for bears..and trespassers..



Interesting thread..thx for posting..

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: Ripp]
      #358309 - 19/11/21 04:33 AM

Might actually be one of the most hand loased cartridges there is. Any good loading manual should give all the info you need.

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: Wayne59]
      #358318 - 19/11/21 06:43 AM

I am currently loading for a Pedersoli model 1886/71, .45/70. & my Sharps with GM bl. chambered in .45 1.9". I load the Sharps with 48.0gr. Benchmark and 405gr.
RP bullets, for 1,850fps and 10 shots into 7/8" @ 100 meters off bags with aperture sights. It allows slightly longer loading than a Marlin 1895 so data is about the same, but higher speed dur to the 35" bl.
So far, in the '86/71 I am just using Bullet Barn 450gr. BB FN's with Hodgdon's Benchmark powder and fairly light loads, 43.0gr.(1,500fps) to 47.0gr. at a guessed at 1,700fps.
Very accurate, but not loading very hot.
According to Hodgdon's Annual Manual, I should be able to go up to about 55 or 56gr., but have no real desire to do this.
I can ring the 200 meter 14"x 16" steel plate time after time offhand with this load - good enough.
I have a bunch of moulds in the 350 to 560gr. weights, so should start loading. I am interested in the powder coating as shown by Trailboss.
I ordered and received some powder, but ordered the wrong stuff and ended up with 2 bags of Cerakote. LOL

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: DarylS]
      #358570 - 26/11/21 01:23 AM

What Wayne59 said + the internet has many sites with load data.

just search on .45-70 load data

And I also load and shoot .45-70 and 45-90 in my 1886 TD 45-90.

Just finished loading some North Fork 350 grain SS. Here is the .45-90:


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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: crshelton]
      #358572 - 26/11/21 04:55 AM

How well do the .45/70's shoot for accuracy in the longer chamber? Any scrubbing of copper by the mean little shoulder?

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: DarylS]
      #358656 - 28/11/21 01:55 PM

Daryl,
Accuracy is good with 70 and 90 in my 1886.
The 70 bullet enters the barrel before it leaves the brass 70 case, so it is always guided/supported. Similar to a .38 fired in a .357 Magnum revolver. I have done that for decades.

I have never observed any copper or lead left by the passage of the 70 bullet from case to barrel.

I never let the chamber or barrel become fouled before cleaning it. Better to avoid such problems than to pay to fix them. Another nice thing about the TD configuration - easy to get to the chamber and rifling for cleaning.
Tomorrow I will take my 1886 down to insert each newly loaded 90 round into the chamber just to be sure there will be no issues when I do get out with my chrony to shoot all 4 different loadings and get velocity readings.

I just got the go ahead today from my smith on extending the chamber of my 45-70 to 45-90 length and regulating with my 90 hand loads. Good fun! Interesting that both the 1886 and 45-70 DR have 26 inch barrels.

A comment on accuracy.
The barrels of all my rifles are capable of sub minute of angle accuracy. All my .458 barrels have placed 2-3 sequential shots in the same hole in a target. That is as far as I go to measure hunting accuracy because the guns are more accurate than I. In the field, we just do the best we can under the circumstances and that is usually good enough.

Cheers and sleep well. I will as it is now raining and that usually makes for a good nights sleep.

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: DarylS]
      #358974 - 08/12/21 10:28 AM

Daryl,
I use Harbor Freight PC powder. I apply it with their PC equipment. I started doing this to some (not all) of my cast bullets back in 2017. Use a Wal-Mart large counter oven to bake them in. I use a metal tray covered with aluminum foil to spray them on. Then I transfer them to another tray with tweezers that have a silicone sheet on tray to bake. Eaze Peze.

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Re: Reloading 45/70 Gov levers [Re: Trailboss]
      #358986 - 09/12/21 04:52 AM

Thanks boys.
TB - those bullets sure look good after coming out of the oven.
With no need for lubrication, they'd be GREAT!

What speeds have you driven powder coated bullets to, with good accuracy.

That #429303 is really interesting. I had a 4-cavity Ohaus mould for that bullet back in the 1970's & shot it a bit, but the 4-cavity Keith bullet that came out at 275gr. is the one I kept. The #429303 mould was re-bored for paper patched bullets for my RB in .45 3 1/4".

I still have a 2 cavity Lyman mould for the #429303 bullet. sure punches nice sharp round holes in the target.

I saw a picture of the new Ruglins 1895. It appeared the forends were properly fitting the action and the actions were colour cased.
I hope that is the way they are. I might have to purchase one of those if/when they come out.

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