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casper50
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What a travesty. sigh.
      #351548 - 20/03/21 03:09 AM

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: casper50]
      #351549 - 20/03/21 05:20 AM

Yikes

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: DarylS]
      #351551 - 20/03/21 05:32 AM

rebarreled and restocked.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: casper50]
      #351553 - 20/03/21 07:02 AM

Is the stock maple?
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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Louis]
      #351560 - 20/03/21 08:32 AM

Yes and they rebarreled it to 300 savage.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Louis]
      #351561 - 20/03/21 08:46 AM

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Is the stock maple?
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It is stocked in curly maple, called fiddle-back by some. It has been stained in an ugly light coloured yellow pigment and then oiled afterwards. simply oiled, the stock would have been a beige colour, ie: very light brown - also ugly to my eye.

Very nasty indeed, as it is.

I also thought the .300 Savage chambering to be rather puzzling as well.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: DarylS]
      #351567 - 20/03/21 11:24 AM

At least they didn't drill the receiver, would not be my first choice of stock or caliber but then there is no accounting for some peoples taste

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Rolland]
      #351576 - 20/03/21 01:39 PM

I've definitely seen worse. It may have been the cat's pajamas about 1970 or so.

At least it's not a multicolored laminate thumbhole affair.

Actually, the stutzen in curly maple is somewhat reminiscent of 'Kentucky' and 'Pennsylvania' rifles of the late 18th and early 19th Century. I kind of like that aspect of it.

I don't care either for the too - light and too - yellow color, though, and that contrasting checkering and butt pad do it no favors. Perhaps nothing that a bit of stain and a wafflepadectomy couldn't fix?



At least the stock profile seems near faithful to original. It even includes a 'special folding peep sight' as originally offered by Steyr:



To my eye it's really no worse / better looking overall than is this rather embellished (depending on one's taste) MCA Alpine as offered by Steyr in 1966:



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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #351583 - 21/03/21 12:58 AM

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To my eye it's really no worse / better looking overall than is this rather embellished (depending on one's taste) MCA Alpine as offered by Steyr in 1966:






Clearly aimed at the North American market. Trying to appeal to the Guymon/Winslow crowd. The basket-weavers.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: vykkagur]
      #351592 - 21/03/21 06:47 AM

The stock wrist sure looks thick to me.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: JDL]
      #351596 - 21/03/21 07:31 AM

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The stock wrist sure looks thick to me.



No doubt

Perhaps the owner or builder's preference (big paws) or a desire to strengthen a known weak area of the MS stock?

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #351608 - 21/03/21 12:26 PM

A typically "American thing" that was done to formerly classic rifles the 1950's thru (say) early 1980's ......the Euro and Brit rifles were relatively cheap, specific ammo was only sporadically available, if at all, and "taste" (I use this term advisedly) was certainly of the Weatherby/Texas Oil Money persuasion......
From our hindsight perspective this was a total travesty.

.300 Savage....nice enough calibre....in a Savage 99.....
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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: 3DogMike]
      #351612 - 21/03/21 04:34 PM

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.300 Savage....nice enough calibre....in a Savage 99.....
- Mike




From Gun Digest:

Ammo Brief: .300 Savage … 100 Years That’s Anything But ‘Savage’

By Gun Digest Editors -June 11, 2020

Despite other .30-calibers supplanting the .300 Savage in popularity, the efficient cartridge still proves a favorite of hunter for its accuracy and legacy.
What You Need To Know About The .300 Savage:
Ballisticly, very similar to the .30-06 Springfield and .308 Winchester.
Gained popularity with the success of the iconic Savage Model 99.
Winchester, Hornady, Remington and Federal offer this cartridge in commercial loads.
Historical Notes
Developed and introduced by Savage Arms Co. for the Model 99 lever-action rifle in 1920, the .300 Savage was later chambered in Savage’s models 20 and 40 bolt-actions. The .300 Savage was intended as a cartridge that would work through medium-length actions and deliver ballistics similar to the .30-06.

Remington chambered it in the Model 81 autoloader, 760 pump-action and 722 bolt-action. The cartridge achieved considerable popularity, but it has since lost out to the superior .308 Winchester.

General Comments
The .300 Savage provided fans of lever-actions, pump-actions and semi-autos with performance close enough to the .30-06 to make rifles of this type useful for most American big game.

The original factory load used a 150-grain bullet and matched the original .30-06 sporting load at 2,700 fps. If loaded to original factory pressure levels with IMR4064, it can significantly, but safely, exceed that velocity. It’s not adequate for moose or brown bear, but it is a fine deer and elk cartridge and is a better choice than the .30-30 for deer under any conditions.

The .308 Winchester fulfills the same function as a short-action cartridge and has somewhat more power, so it has gradually replaced the .300 Savage. However, many thousands of .300 Savage rifles are still in use, so the cartridge will continue to be loaded for many more years. In a bolt-action rifle, it’s as accurate as any other .30-caliber. Winchester, Hornady, Remington and Federal offer this ammunition as commercial loads. Smaller concerns, such as HSM and Jamison Brass and Ammunition, also make runs of this load.



Editor's Note: This article is an excerpt from Cartridges of the World, 16th Edition.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #351651 - 23/03/21 06:05 AM

There's certainly nothing wrong with the .300 Savage cartridge. I have been loading it since the the '70's for 99s and one Remington 722. I think it is perfect for the hunting I do and since non of my shots can exceed 100 yards because of vegetation, I even download my .30'06 to .300 Savage velocities.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: JDL]
      #351673 - 24/03/21 03:42 AM


“....... .300 Savage....nice enough calibre....in a Savage 99..... .....”
Missed my point I guess, was alluding to travesty of chambering in a non “Mannlicher traditional” calibre.

Can’t load it way up in a Savage 99, but it almost catches a .308 in a bolt rifle.
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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: 3DogMike]
      #351675 - 24/03/21 03:46 AM

I under stood both but was extra surprised in the choice of calibres.
In a bolt gun, it indeed approaches the .308, especially if it has a longish throat & enough room in the mangazine.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: DarylS]
      #351683 - 24/03/21 05:06 AM

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I under stood both but was extra surprised in the choice of calibres.
In a bolt gun, it indeed approaches the .308, especially if it has a longish throat & enough room in the mangazine.


I’ve got a 99A in .300 Savage with receiver sight, makes a decent saddle rifle.
The vintage Brit Mannlichers are a bit too nice to risk beating them up in a scabbard on horseback.
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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: 3DogMike]
      #351690 - 24/03/21 09:42 AM

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Missed my point I guess, was alluding to travesty of chambering in a non “Mannlicher traditional” calibre.





At least half of me agrees with you entirely.

The other half is playing 'devil's advocate', here.

Imagine an 'all American' fellow flush with 'new money' from the burgeoning NYSE of about 1922 who has become convinced that the Savage 99 is the cat's pajamas and that the new (introduced 1920) .300 Savage is the best thing to ever have happened to metallic cartridges.

Then imagine this same fellow goes on a hunt with a buddy who says something to the effect of "so, you like rotary magazines, do you?" and hands him a Mannlicher Schoenauer stutzen to try.

Now our intrepid Jazz - ager is convinced that the MS is what a firearm should be and would buy one in an instant if it weren't for the fact that they were only available in the MS proprietary chamberings of 6.5X54, 8X56, 9X56, and 9.5X57, all of which are 'funny foreign things' to him.

Flush with cash, our newbie purchases an MS and has a top notch gunmaker convert it to his coveted .300 Savage to make his life complete. He also has a stock made with a bit more beef in the wrist and perhaps a shorter length of pull, as he's a stocky fellow himself, and of light curly maple as the stutzen reminded him of an old family heirloom Kentucky Rifle. That would account for all but the (gag) waffle butt pad and white line spacers.

Just two years later, our .300 fan could have purchased an M1924 'Sequoia' straight off the shelf in the 'U.S. Cartridge of 1906' (.30-'06), or, within a few more years, a 'High Velocity' MS in one of several non “Mannlicher traditional” chamberings.

The only thing I find truly bothersome about this particular 'conversion' is that it was done (during the 'white line spacer era') on a M1910. One can only hope there was an actual need for it to have been rebarrelled and restocked.

If it were one of the untold quantities of converted Y1903 known to the world - oh well. As highly regarded as original military arms are today, surplus arms were once cheap and plentiful and this conversion is far more tasteful than many that are out there.

Bottom line - I wouldn't do that to an M1910 but it was someone else's rifle and whatever made their liver quiver... .

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #351692 - 24/03/21 09:48 AM

Yikes - double travesty, except that recoil pad is from the late 60's to mid 80's. Actually, I think Pachmayr still makes them.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: 3DogMike]
      #351693 - 24/03/21 09:48 AM

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The vintage Brit Mannlichers are a bit too nice to risk beating them up in a scabbard on horseback.
- Mike



Unless, of course, the vintage Brit Mannlicher has already been restocked and rebarrelled.

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Re: What a travesty. sigh. [Re: DarylS]
      #351884 - 31/03/21 12:17 AM

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Yikes



Yikes

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