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One to annoy our US friends.

pronunciation of zebra in english

zeh bruh

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...;sclient=psy-ab

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Trevor Noah on American 'English': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35b0nP4H28

Dare we consider pronunciations of 'Mannlicher'?

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Ha ha.

I used to be watching the series "The Wire" from Baltimore with a lot of "nigga" language. Is that word permitted? They use it a lot. I think the "a" makes it acceptable and PC. Ha ha. Just stirring. Anyway, my wife thought they were speaking a foreign language and could not understand what was being said. If one had watched several episodes or series, one was fully conversant with "jive".

In Europe, a person can often choose the foreign language option of learning English or American. Later one can tell by the strong American accent, the German or other race has. Spelling and pronunciation.

In Australia we are laughed at by Kiwis as speaking "'strine". They speak "fush and chups".

Mannlicher Schoenauer. I can't type a umlaut, so I use the e after the o.

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t IS pronounced "man-lick-er". Just like the 'CH' at the end of German term 'Third Reich' (pronounced 'RIKE').Feb 26, 2013

Pronunciation of Mannlicher? - RimfireCentral.com Forums

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INCORRECT! Reich is NOT proinounced as "rike". Nor is Mannlicher pronounced as licker. Bloody rimfire shooters ... Almost as bad as air fire shooters ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CowEvHswhQ&vl=gl
How to pronounce männlicher in German

I would roll and growl the ch a bit more myself.

pronunciation of german schoenauer
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1190&a...DCA0&uact=5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAkA6S0-N5s&vl=eo
How to pronounce Schoenauer in German

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I like the direction this thread has taken (apologies to rpeck, the 'OP'!).

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The opening question was well and truly answered, otherwise I would be sticking to the opening comment.

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I tried Mannlicher Schoenauer in Austrian but Google did not understand.

Our German friends are probably laughing at this thread.

Here is a good video. Lots of these I say incorrectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInYKwgKFiI
10 Gun Names You Are Definitely Saying Wrong (And How To Pronounce Them Properly)

Here is a list of 10 firearms that are commonly mispronounced at gun ranges around the country. The list includes
• Mosin
• Steyr
• Kalashnikov
• Garand
• Dragunov
• Sturmgewehr
• Tavor
• Heckler Und Koch
• Makarov
• Saiga


Koch is one that really annoys me, the ex NYC Mayor Mr Cosh and an idiot Aussie TV host who also pronounces his name as Cosh instead of Cock with a rolling guttural growl at the end. Impossible to type in English.

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This post fits in well with the opening topic. And it good education value.

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Brits have Cockney, surely every language group has sub groups of slang speech.

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When living in London I had an Irish manager for a job. She had a strong Irish accent and was a nice lady. But I did have trouble understanding her and had to sometimes listen carefully. I would miss an entire sentence if not listening carefully and make logical deductions.

We laugh at some Americans who can't understand Aussie, or Kiwi, or Brit's accents, but I had the same problem with this ladies strong Irish accent.

Funny too as the American accent no doubt derives heavily from the Irish accent. Maybe an American would easily understand her? I doubt it as well though.

There are some regional accents in Australia. The Adelaidian / South Australia accent is a little different from Victoria and NSW. The Adelaidian "private school" accent can be more British Upper class than the average Brits have. I asked recently at a "club" dinner if one member was born in the UK and no, a multi generation Aussie.

The Queensland accent is different again. Not tot he same extent as dialects just the pronunciation can be a little different.

Kiwis have a very different accent to Australians usually. American visitors though often can not hear the difference. It must depend on what you are familiar with.

I would have no idea of the different German accents and dialects, the Swiss, the Bavarians, Austrians, Hoch Deutsche (High German). my limited German is Barossa Deutsche, 1830s German all bastardised from 200 years in Australia. I don't speak it, I learned the few words as High German in school.

When in Norway and trying to learn some Norwegian, I was told the locals spoke some redneck mountain valley dialect. And they told me Erik spoke Oslo Norwegian.

There are obviously different accents in the USA as well. I have only been to New York City so rely on TV. The famous Southern accents. But I am guessing there is a mid Western accent, and strong accents maybe from the NE corner?

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Hi Rothammer1

Probably I am misunderstanding your use of the word "penny" in context, but the US does indeed have a coin that we call a penny. Since 1909 it has been the copper Abraham Lincoln 1 cent piece. However the coin does not have the word penny on it.

I'd love to see images of the US gold coins, particularly the St Guadens $20 gold piece. To me it is the most beautiful US coin. I wouldn't mind having a few for the uncertain future.

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The most beautiful of the Augustus Saint Gaudens designed Double Eagles were the ultra rare piedfort (double thick) patterns of which only two were struck.

The U.S. Mint, however, reprised it with a faithful re issue as the 'Ultra High Relief' one ounce gold coin of 2009: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/ultra-high-relief-double-eagles-2009/941


I ordered one on the day of issue. it's magnificent.

I've always been equally fond of St. Gaudens' design for the ten dollar Eagle.
I have one example and it is among my favorite coins:


The reverse design was based on the Theodore Roosevelt inaugural medal, also by ASG: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/19770

Other all time favorites of mine are the twin designs of $2.50 and $5.00 (Quarter Eagle and Half Eagle) by Bela Lyon Pratt: https://monacorarecoins.com/indian-head-gold/half-eagles/







Pennies were British:


Penny - not Cent


Cent - not Penny

Though it has been common among the populace of the U. S. to refer to our one cent coin as a 'Penny' for generations, it never has been one. Pennies were distinctly British, at 240 to a Pound Sterling, while the young United States adopted a quasi - decimal coinage system with one hunderd 'Cents' to a U.S.Dollar (or Unit).

As common as it is to call the cent a 'penny', it is no more accurate than it is to call this fellow a 'buffalo':


American Bison - not 'buffalo'

The reason no U. S. cent has ever had the word 'penny' on it is simply because cents are not pennies.
The original Cent and Half Cent coins of the United States were 100% copper but that changed after the Coinage Act of 1857 which made Spanish coin no longer legal tender, thus eliminating the no longer needed Half Cent while also reducing size and changing composition of the Cent.

From 1857 - 1863 cents were of the same diameter as the present issue but on a thicker planchet of 88% copper, 12% nickel.


1856 Pattern for 1857 - 58 Cent

In mid year 1864 the cent was changed again to the present size and thickness as today's issue on a planchet of 'French Bronze' (95% copper, remainder tin and zinc) that would be used through mid year 1982 with the exception of 1943 when they were zinc plated steel.

Since mid 1982, the U.S. Cent had been minted on planchets of zinc with a thin copper plating. Even so, they cost more to produce and distribute than they are worth.

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The opening question was well and truly answered, otherwise I would be sticking to the opening comment.

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That's the notion I was going with.

Still a nod to the OP, though. It was his thread, after all.

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I tried Mannlicher Schoenauer in Austrian but Google did not understand.

Our German friends are probably laughing at this thread.

Here is a good video. Lots of these I say incorrectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInYKwgKFiI
10 Gun Names You Are Definitely Saying Wrong (And How To Pronounce Them Properly)

Here is a list of 10 firearms that are commonly mispronounced at gun ranges around the country. The list includes
• Mosin
• Steyr
• Kalashnikov
• Garand
• Dragunov
• Sturmgewehr
• Tavor
• Heckler Und Koch
• Makarov
• Saiga


Koch is one that really annoys me, the ex NYC Mayor Mr Cosh and an idiot Aussie TV host who also pronounces his name as Cosh instead of Cock with a rolling guttural growl at the end. Impossible to type in English.

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I'd love to see images of the US gold coins, particularly the St Guadens $20 gold piece.

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How about the 'King of Siam' 1836 Proof Set, complete with 1804 dated Dollar - one of the world's premier numismatic rarities:



Pattern coins are an interesting area of study with many beautiful design proposals and variants.

This is a complete set of 1868 standard designs, proof minted on aluminum planchets:



Proposed Two Cent coin:



The design as adopted was the first to use the motto, "In God We Trust".

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...Along with changing the cent composition to bronze in 1864 a new two cent bronze coin was added and in 1865 the three cent silver (1851 - 72) was joined by a three cent coin with a new composition of 75% nickel, 25% copper - the first 'Nickel'.

With the success of the new three cent 'nickel', a new five cent coin of the same 75/25 copper nickel mix was introduced in 1866...

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Magnificent gold coin photos!

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"Indian hunting buffalo"
No, Columbus was lost and this guy is hunting a bison.





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The copper - nickel alloy used in U.S. coinage is 75% copper, 25% nickel - not the other way about as I had erred. (FIXED)

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I prefer the scantily clad Lady Liberty!

If these items are part of a personal collection, it’s an outstanding one.

Re: bank notes, it’s a shame in these anti money laundering days that we no longer have bills larger than $100 although I read somewhere that there are a few $1,000 notes still in circulation

Of course the EU still has the 200 euro note and the Swiss (God love ‘em) refuse to give up the 1,000 CHF note.

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She (Lady Liberty) did look grand in gold. Of higher value would be an original 1916 example which I don't have. Only 52,000 were struck during December of 1916 much as the original Peace Dollar would be in 1921 (1,006,473 struck). A 1916 SLQ in low grade condition (Good - 4) brings about $3,000 USD. In MS63 grade they command over $15,000 USD, an MS66 over twice that. (MS = Mint State, higher number is better preserved coin). The 1921 Peace is a one year type, being struck in high relief unlike the 1922 - 35 issues. A 1921 Peace Dollar in Uncirculated MS60 now lists $270 retail (good news for me as I paid $95 for mine in PCGS slab some years back).


1921 Peace - High Relief

Retail U.S. coin values: http://numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml

The images I've posted here have been 'swiped' from the net (with the assumption they are in the public domain).

I do have (or have had) examples of several of them, however.

'Buffalo Nickels' (bison five cent) I have several, up to 'MS66' grade. Shield Nickel, Flying Eagle cent, Three Cent Silver and Nickel, Standing Liberty Quarters, all are in my 'type coin' collection.

Last year (January 20, actually) I gave a 1930 Standing Quarter in a nice holder to a friend of mine (his birth year) with whom I play poker every other week. We play for quarters and it was his 90th birthday, so I said "here, you'll always have one more quarter". He dug it. There were no U.S. quarters issued in 1931, so this year he'll just get a couple rolls of everyday quarters .

I do have a complete set of the circulation strike Two Cent coins (no 1873 - they were 'proof only'), including the 1864 'Small Motto' which is arguably a pattern coin.

I have but a couple of the more common examples of Fractional Currency at this time. I do have some of the U.S. made Australian coins of 1942 - 43 along with other 'foreign' coinage struck at United States mints.

I once had a 1794 Cent (Sheldon 28 variety) that was not as 'high grade' as the one shown in prior post, though it was an original and respectable very fine. It was traded for a 1937 D '3 legged buffalo' decades ago which was, in turn, sold for rent money (it's good to live indoors).

I could use a Twenty Cent coin for my 'type coin' collection (collecting by 'type' and / or variety rather than full sets by date and mint), as I lack one.

I do have the gold 2009 UHR, 'Ten Dollar Indian', 'Indian Half Eagle' among a few others.

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The 1836 'King of Siam' set and the off metal (aluminum) 1868 pattern set are the stuff of dreams. Whenever I think I have anything on that level I wake up. Pretty pictures, though.

If I get back to spending money on coins, I would be very interested in Pattern Coins and could, indeed, see acquiring one or more varieties of the Two Cent patterns to go with my 'business strike' Two Cent set. They can be had for less than an 1873 Proof and are far more rare and interesting.

The Ten Dollar Bison Note is another 'dream', though I have it in (one sided) reproduction on a BEP 'Souvenir Card':



For more 'dream stuff' (that I don't have), here are Gold Certificates from the 1928 series:

















Federal Reserve Notes denominated over $100 were issued in 1934 and used by the Federal Reserve to buy out gold coin and Gold Certificates that were then held by private banks and concerns. Though last produced in the 1940s and recalled from circulation since 1969, high denomination currency of the U.S. is still legal tender as are Fractionals and every other coin and 'bill' ever produced for circulation in the United States.
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As fond as I am of my numismatic paraphernalia, when my neighborhood was on a mandatory 'bug out' order due to encroaching wildfires several months back my Grandfather's M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer and its fitted case were packed and ready by the front door before I ever considered the coins.


(Grand Dad's hat rack - January, 1932)
Buffalo - not bison.

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