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lancaster
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pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44
#348878 - 05/01/21 09:00 PM

post it here for him
a 9,5x47R Feuerstutzen sold by F.W.( Friedrich Wilhelm ?) Habig in Dresden

this is a rare thing, combination of a bolt action with a hammer but iirc, I have seen another rifle with a similar action years ago.

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Re: pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44 [Re: lancaster]
#348879 - 05/01/21 10:25 PM

Marvellous old piece there Lancaster!
Looks like it is in very good nick as well, what would it's age be?

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Re: pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44 [Re: 93x64mm]
#348889 - 06/01/21 05:15 AM

Very intriguing "match" rifle.
I would guess 1875 to 1885. The hammer is likely superfluous to the actual firing of the rifle & might be only to keep or help keep
the bolt closed and act as a stylish 'locking' mechanism or part thereof.
On the other hand, it might indeed hit an internal striker (firing pin) inside the bolt, as in Martini and Springfield military rifles.
I see the rounded nose of the hammer fits into a hollowed slot of cut in the back of the bolt.(rounded nose goes below the outside edge of the bolt rear. Obvious in the side picture.

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Re: pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44 [Re: 93x64mm]
#348896 - 06/01/21 07:06 AM

Lancaster - Many thanks for posting the photos, Imgur will still not upload my pics to this site

I saw it at Holt's last month and was intrigued as I like unusual actions. No bids so I hit the go button! A British equivalent would be nearly 10 X dearer!

Daryl - there is indeed a firing pin in the bolt, I assume it is very early, not sure about bolt action patents at that time
The 9.5 X 47R is intermediate between the later musket based cases and the then new 7/8mm or .30 cal smokeless??

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Re: pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44 [Re: TH44]
#348897 - 06/01/21 07:59 AM

the 9,5x47R is having the 11,15x60R Mauser m/71 as basic case

its one of over 100 different cases in all calibers and all lengths developt by using 11,15x60R brass. it was overtaken by the 8x15x46R Schütenpatrone step by step in the late 1880s and was probably obsolet by the turn of the century. but you could get brass and sometimes loaded ammo still between the wars. the old 8x15x46R also became obsolete for target shooting in the early 1930s by smokless 22lr ammo. this trend got a kick by the end of WW 2 when german target shooter lost the old rifles.
when it starts again after the war the 22 lr dominate target shooting and the old Feuerstutzen ( blackpowder - fire - stutzen) were only for some freaks.

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Re: pics of a Schützen rifle for TH44 [Re: lancaster]
#348912 - 06/01/21 02:17 PM

Wow Cool!

I look forward to a range report.
With more photos.

Nice!

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