500grains
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Woodleigh FMJ bullets recovered from game. From left: (1) unfired 570 grain 500 Nitro Express bullet (2) 570 grain 500 NE bullet fired into elephant head (note deformation of the bullet base) (59 inches of penetration, missed neck vertebrae) (3) unfired 500 grain .474” bullet (4) 500 grain .474" bullet fired into elephant head at 2300 fps (note core squirting out the base of the bullet) (31 inches of penetration, stuck in neck vertebrae) (5) 500 grain .474" bullet fired into waterbuck at 125 yards, muzzle velocity was 2300 fps (53 inches of penetration) (6) unfired 480 grain .458” bullet (7) 480 grain .458" bullet fired into eland shoulder at 2200 fps (31 inches of penetration) (8) 480 grain .458" bullet fired into elephant (frontal chest shot) at 2200 fps (53 inches of penetration)
The Woodleigh solids did not exhibit as large a wound channel as either the GS Custom or Bridger bullets. On elephant heads they seem to be just as good as Bridger and GS Custom, but on body shots they do not penetrate as deeply as flat nose solids, on average.
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BigBullet
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500gGrains,
Very interesting pictures. Thank you for posting them and providing info that would take a regular guy (like myself) many lifetimes to compile.
BigBullet
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Plains99
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Why does a flat nose solid penetrate better than a round nose? Is wound channel difference a viable concern when talking about solids? I'm impressed by the visual. The .470 Nitro solids that were fired into the shoulder of an Asian Water Buffalo and found at a hunt a couple of season ago were badly bent and not nearly as uniform as these. I don't know what they were but penetration was poor... really no better than the heavy soft lead muzzleloaders we were shooting. If we want penetration from odd angles and use solids as a backup round to a soft point on buffalo which bullet do you recommend... a round nose or a flat nose?
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500grains
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Plains,
The general theory behind a flat nose solid is found here: http://www.grosswildjagd.de/english1.htm
In brief, a bullet in flesh (or water) forms a vapor bubble around itself in which it travels. When the vapor bubble collapses, drag is increased and lateral forces can cause tumbling. Therefore, maintaing the vapor bubble as long as possible, and also creating a vapor bubble as large as possible, maximizes penetration.
Here is a bullet depicted in its vapor bubble:

Flat nose solids have been found to increase size and duration of the vapor bubble compared to round nose solids. They have also been observed to penetrate more deeply on game, on average, based on relatively limited field testing. Most of this evidence is anecdotal.
Another reason cited by fans of flat nose bullets is that they do a better job of maintaining straight line penetration. This is perhaps because a round nose may start to deflect off of a hard object, such as bone, before punching through, while a flat nose would tend to bite into the bone more quickly and deflect less. But I have not personally seen any difference in straight line penetration between RN and FN solids.
There is an observable difference in wound channels between FN and RN solids in my experience. Neither leave a bloodshot wound channel like a hollow point. Round noses leave a channel (and entry wound) that looks like flesh was pushed out of the way, and then the flesh collapses back on itself. This does not maximize bleeding. The FN solids punch a nice cookie cutter entrance wound, and engage in tearing of flesh that they do not even come into contact with. I have seen tearing of lungs 6 inches away from where a FN solid passed. This is a phenomena that I attribute to the larger vapor bubble created by an FN solid in flesh, which can stretch surrounding flesh beyond the limit of its elasticity, resulting in tearing of the flesh.
In sum, personally I have a strong preference for flat nose solids. The advantages I have observed are deeper penetration in flesh and larger wound channels. On elephant heads, the FN solids seem to have a slight advantage, but not as noticeable as on body shots. At this point I still reserve judgment on the straight line penetration issue.
Woodleigh solids are definitely good, but when I can get an additional foot of penetration from an FN solid, that is the one I will choose. Barnes solids seem to lag behind the Woodleigh, perhaps because Barnes uses a hemispherical RN, or perhaps because the specific gravity of a Woodleigh solid is so much higher than a Barnes solid.
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Plains99
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Thank you. Very enlightening. Don't have much opportunity for shooting solids here in Kansas. Actually, for .458 practice ammunition, I've been shooting old boxes of solids I purchase over the internet and using 510 grain soft points for hunting. Your little lesson on ballistics will be remembered when it comes time to use them.
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475Guy
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500grains
Gotta say you're doing a great service by posting all these pics on recovered bullets (especially the flatpoint solids), I can only tell somebody how good something is but a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Scott
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Thank you for taking the time to post the pictures.
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