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She came to me with a removable pistol grip cap, a bolt-mounted Lyman diopter, apparently of the 1A type, and a cleaning rod of which I can’t tell whether it is a factory supplied model?

Louis

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She's a beauty. Excellent photos, as well.
That is most definitely a "presentable post"!

The M1905, I believe, was indeed manufactured in smaller numbers than the M1908 or M1910 and far fewer than the M1903.

That high gloss finish may be original. My cased M1910 Takedown, also Vienna proofed 1922 along with British proofs, has that finish. I know it's unchanged from 1932 when my grandfather purchased it 'second hand' in Ceylon. It, too, has the grip cap storage (with spare sight bead therein) as well as the optional folding peep sight.


This is not my MS, it's a photo swiped from the 'net.


Your cleaning rods appear absolutely proper for the MS (I just brought mine out to compare) but are you missing one? They did come in four or five piece versions. Mine has five segments measuring 6.9 inches each. The brass 'jag' end looks just like yours. Do your other three segments all have both ends threaded?

Of my five steel segments, one has the brass 'jag' at one end (not threaded) with the other female threaded as yours in the image, three have a male threaded steel end and brass slotted, female threaded other end (as three in your image), then a fifth one with one end male threaded and the other shaped and slotted like the brass ends but all steel with no female thread - it is smooth at the end.

Mine does have a 60cm barrel, but it seems a four piece rod set would have two segments with both ends threaded, one with only female and one with only male threads so they assemble with smooth ends.

Here is your Lyman 1A, a nice bit of kit:

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Rothhammer, Nitrox and 9,3x64 , thank you.

Rothhammer, the four segments of the cleaning rod put together are 66 cm / 26 inches long, which looks good for cleaning a 57 cm / 22,5 cm long barrel; anyway, there won't be any room left in the dedicated compartment for storing a fifth segment so I assume that this cleaning rod was four-segment only. Did you still get your grand dad's "new hat rack" and leopard skull?

Louis

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Mine measure 17.5cm per segment, a tad longer for the brass 'jag' end:



The 'fifth rod' is shaped like the connecting rods, but is all one piece steel with a smooth, slightly domed (not threaded), end where the female threads are on the others.

It's been a long time since I've had them out and they do fit rather snugly in their compartment. One loads them three with the fat end down, two with the narrow. They are a bit long when assembled, but that makes it nice for running patches from the breech end. I can leave a segment out and still have a rod more than 7.5cm longer than the barrel,
I use the rods provided with cleaning kits on it, actually. The originals just reside in the stock.


In the above image (swiped from the 'net) is another five piece set. On this one both terminal ends appear to be steel.


It seems you saw the hunt photos before I shortened my prior post. I was concerned that I was wandering too far astray from relevance to your fine M1905 (would I do that?).

As the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and to answer your question, no. I don't think any buffalo parts made it back to the States with G'pa, nor the leopard's skull. The pith helmet has long since turned to powder.

Johnny's hat rack (for use in the field )

I do, however, have the cat's claws in the MS' fitted case.

One of my brothers had the pelt decades ago but it was in very bad shape, possibly never having been properly cured.

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I shoot Dorfner (Austria) Teilmantelgeschoss 16,5 grams / 255 grains ammunition but has not taken her hunting and do not plan doing so as I already have “dedicated” hunting rifles, kipplaufs mostly.

Louis

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Just don't load her with more than 35 grains of Cordite!

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Thanks Louis and Rothhammrer,
The variations in specifications for the 9x56 MS from different sources is quite large, hence I am interested in actual cartridge dimensions. If any other members could measure any factory cartridges they have that would be great.
For the assistance of members and to add to NEF reference material, I will collate all the information I gather into a table with some notes.
Chamber variations of individual rifles just adds to the mix.
Other members please chip in.
Fraser

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