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JMK
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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: NitroX]
      #34906 - 21/07/05 01:25 AM

Thank you very much for the kind welcome.

Mickey, we do not now make the FAUNETTA pattern nor ammunition. We did reintroduce the OVUNDO, which has been out of the line since the late 1930's, at the January Safari Club Convention. The first block of a dozen 20 bores has been taken up. The plan is to next build them in 28 bore and then possibly to make this pattern in rifle calibres.

I only recently found this forum and find it very interesting.

Jim Kilday

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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: JMK]
      #35021 - 25/07/05 02:09 AM

Come on Jim, Clode has been going to India on a regular basis for many years and buying guns! I happen to have had contact with a few of the sellers in India that he deals with.

It has always amazed me that the pound had a stronger value than any other currency due to the fact that the English actually produce very little and without US help would have folded their auto industry completely.

Just my opinon!

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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: nitro476]
      #35025 - 25/07/05 04:17 AM

Mr. Nitro,

I'm afraid your information is incorrect. The number of rifles obtained by Mr. Walter Clode over the years is a very small percentage of our pre-owned gun revenue--very small! Frankly, you cannot obtain any quantity of rifles in India of the quality we sell and have not been able to do so for some time.

As I said in my earlier post, gun and rifle prices are established by market forces. Those same free markets determine the price of sterling in terms of the US dollar or any other currency.

Jim Kilday

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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: mickey]
      #35516 - 06/08/05 04:33 PM

Hi Mickey,

Just for discussion's sake and stating the obvious here; On your comment of vintage, quality Double Rifles doubling in value every 18 years (minimum), using the figure of 72, that would be a 4% per year appreciation. A few assorted treasury notes are yielding that as are 5 year CD's.

I'm not too sure of what my pointless point actually was!


Mudbug

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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: mickey]
      #35547 - 07/08/05 01:53 PM

New manufacturing technology is what has made it possible for us to have the double rifles now available in the price ranges of the Searcy, Chapuis, Heym and others. I presume that the improvements will continue in the next 18 years or so, so I think that will put a damper on the appreciation of the less expensive doubles built recently.

Pure handwork and a long tradition is still going to be special and will attract buyers. Although it seems inconceivable that prices would keep going up, I think that over the next 18 years we will see more and more people in the world interested in collectible double rifles and wealthy enough to bid to own one. Although a lot of the ex Soviet Union - Warsaw Pact countries are having economic difficulties, countries like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are doing better and will contribute their share of successful people ready to bid. Add the people ready to buy who live in the booming Asian countries ...

I don't know for sure about double rifles, but I know that the Japanese economic success in the second half of the last century created a large class of knife collectors there and they certainly had an impact on the price of collectible knives. You can buy a Loveless now (occasionally) on eBay for $3000 or so. In 18 years they may cost $30,000. at which point someone interested in beautiful things might turn their attention to doubles, if the rifle prices have lagged.

Finally, lots of people might say that the supply will increase, that is more people will hand build double rifles (or knives) for the collector market and that will hold down prices. But in the "collectible" world what is often most important is who the innovators are - who are the ones who belong to companies with a tradition of having contributed seriously to the development of the collectible. Loveless created style and was (is) a leader in the knife building arena. The most beautiful hand built replica of one of his knives will have some appreciation, but nowhere near the appreciation of an original, even if they are indistinguishable aside from maker's mark.

Demand can only grow.

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Re: Double Rifle Prices [Re: jgttechjunkie]
      #35553 - 07/08/05 03:29 PM

jgttechjunkie

Supply might increase and they may be able to build more "hand made" double rifles
but they can't build "hand made" double rifles made between 1880
and 1939.

Same applies to Shotguns made between 1880 and 1939.

It all comes back to a finite supply from the best era of gun making.

500 Nitro

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