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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: luv2safari]
      #334790 - 24/11/19 02:35 PM



Maybe it is a stylised SS?! But not that SS.

But might not be SS after all, looking at it again.

The Crown has four higher points and four lower. I don't know the correct terms.

I think Kuduae is correct and Freiherr is most likely. At least to my limited review.

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Edited by NitroX (24/11/19 03:08 PM)

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: luv2safari]
      #334795 - 24/11/19 05:00 PM

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Not off topic at all...

I'm reading the informed posts with more than passing interest, trust me.

I've been gone here too long and forgot all the sea of knowledge one can navigate.

Any comments or suggestions are appreciated.

Also, it appears that 43 Spanish brass is the parent of reformed cases for a 10.5X47R. The rim and base diameters should be close enough to craft ammo. I can get close enough with 45-70 brass, too. It's base is .13" smaller, but wraping a strip of paper around the base and firing will size the rest of the case concentrically. I'll then fire form again with the paper strip removed, since the rest of the case fits the chamber tight now.



most likely 11,15x60R Mauser 71 is the parent case, there are over 200 diferent cases know made from 11,15x60R.
the 10,5x47R is one of the better known and wider used cartridges but exist in differnet versions what was very common then and is the reason for the 200 different cases.
http://www.municion.org/10/10_5x47R.htm

http://www.municion.org/10/10_5x47Rscheibengewehr.htm

there are probably more variants! make a chamber case and slug the barrel! you best option would be the 9,5x47R made by Horneber and Bertram because it have to be sized in a die only. this is a high quality gun and I would allways try to get a die set for this.

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: lancaster]
      #334826 - 25/11/19 05:28 PM

This is very informative. I am able to translate it enough to glean a lot of information...Thank You.

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: luv2safari]
      #334838 - 25/11/19 10:34 PM

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Hi Kuduae, not to go off topic, but you refer to Friherr being the second lowest rank of nobility. What was the lowest?


The lowest rank was a simple "von" attached to the family name, without any real title (in Austro-Hungary the "courtesy title" Ritter" = knight was added). That "von" served about the same purpose like the British "Sir" does to this day, though the "von" was usually heriditary. The "von" was attached to the family name by royal letters patent for merits in military, science, arts, industry or economy. Examples are "von Dreyse" or "von Mannlicher". A family of this rank could use a crown with 5 tines/pearls above the monogram, while a Freiherr/Baron was etitled to 7 pearls, a Graf/count to 9.
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Is it possible that the owner of this monogram was not even German?


Quite likely, as the baronial crown looks a bit unusual for a German one in detail. As I wrote, Baden-Baden was populated during the summers by aristocrats and other well to do people from all Europe before WW1. It was called the "Summer capital of Europe" then. Russian nobility even had their own church built there. Nagel & Menz catered to that international clientele.

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: kuduae]
      #334842 - 26/11/19 03:25 AM

I have a 11.15x47R that I made brass using fire formed 9.5x47R.

I bought Lee dies for 11.15x60R (43 Mauser) and shortened the resizing dies. These work very well.

The 10.5x47R has a Mauser A head which is thicker than a 45/70 rim. I made brass by thickening the rim of 45/70 brass by tapping the rim and resizing. These work very well.

I use both black powder, Triple 7 and 4198.

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: 85lc]
      #334847 - 26/11/19 04:56 AM

Innovation indeed.

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Re: Royal Find Drilling [Re: Buchsemann]
      #335051 - 01/12/19 01:47 PM

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luv2safari,

Beautiful find, congratulations!

I'm looking forward to reading of your bringing it back to life. Most especially in the field but first, a range report.

Cheers!

Mark



Now it's here I'm discovering some things about it. It does have the hinged rt trigger, and it's done so well that the seam is almost invisible.

The bore is .40/10mm, and I think it's a 10X47R, not the 10.5 as I had thought. C&H has the dies, Huntington's has 9.5X47R brass, and I can and did buy 180 gr and 220 gr 40 S&W cast bullets in .401; I bought 100 of each.

I'll take the gun to a good friend and gunsmith of mine, Lee LeBas, early next week and we'll bubble up some Cerrosafe and dump it into the chamber. C&H was kind enough to send me 10X47R diagrams they use to make the dies, and we'll get out the calipers.

If it as I believe, I should be smoking all three barrels in a week to ten days. I have some RST Ultra-Lite 2 1/2" 3/4oz 1,100 fps ammo coming that shows an average pressure of 5,200 psi.

I also have two 16ga to 20 ga chamber inserts I can use for now with very light 20 gauge ammo. That is even more benign than the RST ammo.

I'll get some pictures once I get it shooting.

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Edited by luv2safari (01/12/19 01:48 PM)

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