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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Homer]
      #336450 - 11/01/20 03:48 PM

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I just happen to have 1x Can of Duff Beer.
It was made here in Oz (Not under license), ........... until they were told by an American Legal Firm, told to stop.



It was made by the SA Brewing Company I believe. Now called Lion Nathan after a kiwi takeover, before they in turn were taken over by the Japs, Kirrin.

Duff Beer as made by SA Brewing, was not named after the Simpsons cartoon beer if I remember rightly. However the yanks threatened legal action for trademark infringement of a trademark class, ie beer, where they had never made any beer, never sold any beer, and never traded in beer in this trademark jurisdiction. A cartoon beer is not a real beer. However in TM matters money on legal bills matters and they withdrew their Duff Beer.

Does the Duff Beer have any Simpson's references on the packaging?



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I reckon James Boags, Premium Lager, make/is The Best beer on the planet.
I'm not by myself either, as it was voted Best Larger in the World, at least once.



I like James Boag Premium as well.

I also will buy Coopers Sparkling Ale or Pale Ale.

I wouldn't ever bother with a XXXX or Vic Vomit Bitter.

I also wouldn't bother with a Hahn, since they were no longer a boutique winery back in the 80's or 90's. Made by an American Brewer in Sydney, called Dr Chuck (Hahn) back then. Now it is mass produced swill.

I am being unpatriotic nowadays and enjoy a Danish Carlsberg.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: DarylS]
      #336451 - 11/01/20 03:52 PM

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What's the favourite beer in Aussie-land?



Among knowledgeable Aussies such as South Australians, Coopers Brewery is one of the better ones.

And while I make no claim to it being anything like a best, there is a famous named beer as well, "Hahn".



Of course, there is. Next spring, I should have a month or so to test out ALL of your claims.



Yes mate we can test a fair few. Don't think I will bother with a Hahn Beer though. I have a few bottles of the original, now maybe 30 years old. Any good still, do you think?

Not sure how a .242 Vickers thread got onto beer? Was there a Vickers Beer? There should have been! Vickers Victory Beer!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #336824 - 21/01/20 01:37 PM

My little "Cogswell & Harrison, Ltd." marked .242 Vickers has come home from Steve Bertram's "beauty spa". http://www.bertramandco.com









Will have to wait for 2' of snow to melt before I can try it on targets.

Thinking of making up some outlaw labels for relabeling a local IPA...... ".242 Vickers Victory" (with proper attribution of intellectual property to Nitro John of course )

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #336856 - 22/01/20 07:14 AM

Mike, what a great job you had done on that rifle. The restoration turned out perfectly as the rifle still looks original and period. Super job. It is always interesting as well when someone has a rifle in a cartridge that is different to all the normal ones. Looking forward to see how it shoots.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #336858 - 22/01/20 09:23 AM

Didn’t notice the stippling on the rear bridge before - nice touch and makes sense.

Lovely rifle!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Huvius]
      #344687 - 31/08/20 09:33 AM

August 2020 update:
Late due the Wuhan virus follies.......etc.
Have sourced bullet drawing dies from Corbin and Lee to squeeze standard .25 caliber .257” bullets to fit.
Chose the Nosler 100 grain Accubond and Speer 100 spitzer flat base soft point for trials.

The rifle had to go back to Steve Bertram to have the throat deepened as current bullets sized down would not seat out to proper cartridge overall length. The rifle now has a nice target rifle grade throat and case necks only need a light reaming.
As there is no current or vintage ammo and no original Kynoch .242 bullets available I don’t consider this throat alteration to be of huge consequence to the original rifle and does allow it to be shot with modern components.

Weather permitting this week I’m going to work up a load with IMR 4350 and the 100 grain bullets to get close to the vintage advertised velocity of 2800’/sec.
This rifle has a 24” barrel and the original Kynoch advertised velocity was likely obtained with a 26” or 28” barrel so 2750’/sec might be a sweet spot.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #344692 - 31/08/20 05:19 PM

Fingers crossed for you 3DM, it will be rather interesting to see how this this old girl really goes.
I totally agree with what you had to do to make it work, virtually giving it a bit more 'freebore' so to speak, the chamber is still original so it is a win-win for you mate.
It would seem that with a larger case capacity than the .244 Rem, you should get easy 2800fps with the 100gn pills, but the proof will be in the pudding when comparing a 'preferred velocity to your sights.
Don't be surprised if you get a few 'sweet' spots along the way.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 93x64mm]
      #344737 - 02/09/20 12:58 PM

50 Yards.....
The 1 5/8' group is offhand, the 3/8" group is over bags.
Loaded with .25 caliber Nosler 100 grain ballistic tip drawn to .254". Still slowly working loads up and these are at 2425'/sec.

The 2425'/sec took 40.5 grains of IMR4350 with no pressure signs so I will continue upping in .5 grain increments.

May try Reloader 19 at some stage. Hope to get 2750'-2800'/sec to duplicate original quoted velocities.

Truly a "blast from the past" as this rifle possibly has not been fired since the 1950's

- Mike





As an aside; this rifles first owner was one Ivan T. Sanderson. Quite a character I'm sure......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_T._Sanderson

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #344754 - 03/09/20 05:03 AM

Seems to shoot just fine, Mike.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #344755 - 03/09/20 05:44 AM

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Hope to get over to Steve's place to pick it up this coming week, depending upon weather.

Marmots.....almost as dangerous as the Monty Python "Killer Rabbit", will have my .577 along in case of a charge.
Right now my shooting spots are under about 2 feet of snow.
- Mike




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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: vykkagur]
      #344856 - 07/09/20 08:44 PM

Great Results Mike, that"s a really nice rifle that you have there.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #344867 - 08/09/20 02:58 AM

Quick update:
Achieved a solid 2837’sec 5 shot average with IMR4350 and 100 grain Speer pointed soft point, no excessive pressure signs.
Standard primer and 47.0 grains of IMR4350.


I wish I could bring myself to fire a couple of my original Kynoch that are loaded with 41.5 grains of whatever they used, I would be surprised if those original loads made advertised velocities

DISCLAIMER:
If you happen to have a spare .242 Vickers chambered rifle sitting around please consider this load safe ONLY in my rifle.

- Mike

EDIT ADDED:
The sights are a standing marked 200 yards and one folding leaf marked 300 yards.
Using nominal velocity and ballistic coefficient assumptions and my altitude of 7500’ I will be looking for 1.3” high at 50 yards and ~2.2” high at 100 yards.
This is to be checked my next outing.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #344892 - 08/09/20 10:01 PM

I hope that load is to your sights 3DM, not bad going if you don't mind me saying.
Greta to see good results with your sized pills.......damn fine if you ask me!
Time to use on a white tail or 3!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 93x64mm]
      #345794 - 14/10/20 07:18 AM

There is an elegant simplicity in an open sighted Mauser actioned rifle and yours is a beauty.

Look forward to hearing of more adventures with it.

Can you measure the size of your front sight bead when you get a chance please? I am finding front bead size matters as my ageing eyes struggle to see fine beads!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: Rockdoc]
      #345795 - 14/10/20 09:55 AM

Rockdoc,
Will do that! No kidding about aging eyes.....I just turned 68

Right now the rifle is at Steve Bertram's getting a crack in the wood behind the tang fixed.

- Mike

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #345843 - 16/10/20 08:11 PM

Nice rifle that seems to want to shoot well. And a very interesting first owner. Now if only these rifles could talk, as they shared many intimate moments with their owners. Imagine some of the campfire discussions!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: HeymSR20]
      #368361 - 15/08/22 08:27 AM

Back to top,
Have heard from a member "Hendo" who hails from Australia, says he is in the process of getting a .242 Vickers. As a .242 Vickers owner he will be a member of a VERY small club indeed.

Perhaps he will eventually chime in with details of his rifle and the attendant "pleasures/adventures" () of making ammunition to get it shooting.

Cheers, Mike

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: 3DogMike]
      #368368 - 15/08/22 04:16 PM

Mike, thanks for redirecting this thread. Your rifle turned out very nicely. 100 gr bullet at 2800 fps, wow! Very effective.

It may have been mentioned already. But what is the true calibre of the .242 Vickers? .254, as you mentioned resizing bullets to?


Good news about Hendos rifle. I may get to see it. Hope so.

A .242 Vickers sounds like a nice vintage cartridge and rifle to have. An ideal rifle calibre class for most game in Australia.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #368369 - 15/08/22 04:18 PM

PS these need to be added to the unusual vintage calibres/rifles thread.

It is so much cooler to use a .242 Vickers than some unmentionable mass market new wannabe pretender!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison .242 Vickers [Re: NitroX]
      #368400 - 16/08/22 12:44 AM

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Mike, thanks for redirecting this thread. ……... But what is the true calibre of the .242 Vickers? .254, as you mentioned resizing bullets to?……..



The true calibre, ah now THAT is the $64,000 question!

The "bore" may have in fact been planned to be .242", while the groove diameter may have been hostage to various barrel makers machine tolerances in the rifling process?
As I mentioned, my old original ~1930's Kynoch ammunition has bullets of very long taper ogive and a base diameter of .2475"

Various sources claim barrel groove diameter of .249" to .253" while my rifle has a groove diameter of .255"
I don't have proper small diameter plug gauges to actually figure out my rifles true "bore diameter" at the top of the lands.

Sooooo…….I'd opine that calling it a .242 is as good as anything.
I would be curious to know how those original .2475" bullets shot out of my rifle with the .255" grooves with rifling that "may" be only .004" deep?
100 yard "minute of Blackbuck" accuracy? Bullets with thin jackets actually soft enough to slug up a bit in the barrel?

- Mike

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