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skybolt
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Re: My new Toy [Re: 3DogMike]
      #328158 - 09/05/19 04:41 AM

Does anybody know what the large "S" next to the 40 stands for?

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Re: My new Toy [Re: 3DogMike]
      #328182 - 10/05/19 12:53 AM

Yes, it gets irritating when users declare, "I can't post pictures." As though there is something magic or uncertain about doing it. Just lazy and don't want to learn.

Can't never could.

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skybolt
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Re: My new Toy [Re: CptCurl]
      #328197 - 10/05/19 07:04 AM

So I see that this has become about me and not a fine old rifle. OK

Let's set the record straight.

I didn’t ask for anything, free or fast, nor did I ask to be spoon fed. NitroX offered (on April 12)....now it's really simple, if you are not going to follow thru then don’t make the offer.

Instead of getting all pissy a gentleman would have explained that he was simply too busy right now to make good on his unsolicited offer of help.

Contrary to his implication, it was ~13 days from when he got the E-mail with the pictures until I asked if anyone else could post them...making an assumption the individual had either lost interest or was too busy.

I did not solicit any help nor did I start the nastiness.

Now does anyone care to hazard a guess on what the meaning of the large S is near the 40 on the bottom of the barrels?

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rigbymauser
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Re: My new Toy [Re: skybolt]
      #328198 - 10/05/19 07:51 AM

Skybolt.

We are ofcouse interested in your doublerifle...make no mistake about this.

If sending a simpel email with some attached images is difficult...get the person next to you to do it for you.

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Re: My new Toy [Re: rigbymauser]
      #328217 - 10/05/19 03:59 PM

No idea what the S means, nor the 40.

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skybolt
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Re: My new Toy [Re: DarylS]
      #328245 - 11/05/19 09:48 AM

The 40 is the bore diameter (gauge).
The "S" is ?????

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Re: My new Toy [Re: skybolt]
      #328247 - 11/05/19 11:39 AM

Hi Skybolt.

Congrats on your new toy. Not my area of expertise however your proof marks are explained in http://proofmarks.tripod.com/englishproofs.html . Go down to the section "British Proof Marks 1868 to date" In particular the column for London proofs. My limited interpretation is that it is only proofed for black powder not nitro.

Unfortunately it dosen't give any illumination on the "40 S" markings.

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Re: My new Toy [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #328264 - 12/05/19 08:31 AM

Skybolt
My apologies for not following through on my offer of asking my contact in H&H for your rifle, as you say I have had too much work even to contact him properly
I should have contacted you
I am not sure if he has retired or not but have had no success in finding him
I am in Malta this week and will try to sort something for you when I get back to the UK
Please stick with the forum we all want to be of help if we can
Th44

Edited by TH44 (12/05/19 08:33 AM)

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skybolt
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Re: My new Toy [Re: TH44]
      #328267 - 12/05/19 01:02 PM

Thanks for the update.

Any effort on your part is deeply appreciated.

Wouldn't you think it would have more than one entry in the books to account for the barrel work that was obviously performed sometime after it was originally shipped? Winchester and Colt both made entries to indicate when a gun was returned for factory repair or improvements.

I just got in my supply of .505" diameter bullets (440gr) and will do some chronograph work nest week, followed by seeing how well it is regulated.
KM

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Re: My new Toy......The Enigmatic "S" [Re: skybolt]
      #328301 - 13/05/19 05:50 AM

I have found reference likely explaining the "S" stamped on SKYBOLT's rifle.

Gun Digest 1977 edition; "A History of Proof Marks - Gun Proof in England", article begins page 161.

Page 165, referencing the Proof Act of 1868; paragraph titled "Special Rules":
"......Another special category covered British Government Arms or those of the East India Company which had been declared surplus and sold. If these bore the letter S, meaning safe or serviceable stamped over.......they were considered legally proved".

So possibly originally an East India Company rifle that was stamped with the S and then resold.
Now according to Encyclopedia Britannica the actual "East India Company" ceased to be independent in 1873, and thereafter lived on as an adjunct to the British Government. Not British Army but maybe originally British civil service related? Only H&H would know.

My iPad and IMGUR are not playing well with the internet right now so I cannot post the pictures of the relevant section of the article.

- Mike

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skybolt
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Re: My new Toy......The Enigmatic "S" [Re: 3DogMike]
      #328311 - 13/05/19 11:05 AM

That is fascinating. Possibly guns to protect workers gathering "stuff" in the jungle from Tigers etc, and/or to shoot game animals for meat to feed these same workers.
Thanks for the info.

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