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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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MANEATER AND VICTIM
      #32584 - 02/06/05 09:58 PM

A friend of mine loaned me this photo ,thouht it would be of interest to members.
Will get more details in the next few days.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #32599 - 03/06/05 11:41 AM

An interesting if gruesome photograph. Please post more if you have them.

Imagine being the poor family of the victim and finding your loved on in such a state. Not very pleasant.

Just shows we should all live life rather than wait for tommorrow.


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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: NitroX]
      #32764 - 08/06/05 09:35 AM

Nitro,
Do you really think they would recognize old uncle Fazwa??


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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #32796 - 08/06/05 09:43 PM

Looks like Jim Corbett is needed for that problem.

As graphic as the picture may be, I still am awestruck by the grace, beauty, and lethality of the tiger in particular, and all of the big felines in general.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: iwantadouble]
      #32822 - 09/06/05 10:49 AM

I am reading a number of books by Anderson at the moment. In them he routinely puts himself up as bait when hunting maneaters at night.



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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: atkinson6]
      #32823 - 09/06/05 11:02 AM

Aunty Fazwa I'd suggest, Ray!

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: Marrakai]
      #32833 - 09/06/05 05:01 PM

Marrakai,

It could be hormone enhanced transvestite cross dresser Fazwa, of the type commonly found in Amsterdam, San Francisco, and Sydney...

I think I'll quietly be sick after thinking of that possibility...

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: NitroX]
      #32838 - 09/06/05 09:25 PM

Nitrox,

I have all of Kenneth Anderson's books with me.However, his books are believed to be more on the line of pot boilers than true accounts.The adventures read well,though.Hope you have read Jim Corbett.I got all his collections,too.There is a Tiger census going on in India at the moment.The stats are not encouraging.Man-Animal conflicts and poaching are on the rise.In the Sariska Tiger reserve all the Tigers have vanished and an inquiry is on.Hope we won't lose the Big Stripes for ever.Best-Vikram.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: vikram]
      #49300 - 06/02/06 02:54 PM

In reply to:

I have all of Kenneth Anderson's books with me.However, his books are believed to be more on the line of pot boilers than true accounts.The adventures read well,though.Hope you have read Jim Corbett.I got all his collections,too.There is a Tiger census going on in India at the moment.The stats are not encouraging.Man-Animal conflicts and poaching are on the rise.In the Sariska Tiger reserve all the Tigers have vanished and an inquiry is on.Hope we won't lose the Big Stripes for ever.Best-Vikram.




Vikram,

Yes I heard while in India in December about the Sariska reserve. It still is in the papers. Hopefully a contact there will supply the results of the census to me as well as he promised to. It was supposed to have finalised a week or two ago, so I will email him.

Anderson's books? Yes I could see they may be fictional or have fictional elements. Good reads though. Lots of writers seem to fictionalise their 'accounts'.

Corbett is probably the best hunting author in my opinion and his books were some of the first I ever read. As preparation for a trip to Africa in 1988 I read a lot of African explorers and early hunters accounts and came across Corbett. What a find!



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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: NitroX]
      #49301 - 06/02/06 02:59 PM

PS As for maneaters, it still happens today.

While at Bandhavgargh National Park on an early morning game drive, the local head ranger (whatever their title is there) mentioned to our guide that a young boy had been killed by a tiger just outside the park's boundaries.

It seems the story was, the boy had woken up prior to dawn and seeing a cow was missing had gone off to search for the cow in the forested area near his village. He came upon the cow, but unfortunately also upon a tiger which had killed it during the night and had been feeding on it. The tiger killed the boy.

Maybe not a maneating incident, instead an unfortunate accident where a human and a tiger meet at close quarters in a difficult situation. But very sad for the boy's family.

It also illustrates why the local population MUST ge value from the wildlife in terms of jobs, income, other benefits so they continue to protect the wildlife rather than wish the opposite.



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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: NitroX]
      #49323 - 07/02/06 12:07 AM

In reply to:

An interesting if gruesome photograph.





There is no photo... Maybe you could mail it to me? Would be highly appreciated.

I "grew up" with Jim Corbett. When I was 10-years old I received his book MANEATERS. The first night after reading the book I couldn't sleep at all - every few minutes I switched on the lights: I thought there might be a tiger under my bed!


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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: NitroX]
      #49359 - 07/02/06 09:24 AM

Do they destroy the Tiger when it kills a person these days?

It really is too bad that Tiger populations are still on the decline. I think the Tigers need more value in the eyes of the government because they obviously aren't doing enough to protect them. I still think if they auctioned off one hunt every couple of years that it would pay for protection and breeding programs. I bet the auction would bring more then 1 million. They need help NOW.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: bulldog563]
      #49462 - 08/02/06 03:46 AM

Its sad for sure, the only way IMO to stop the poaching is to teach these backwards people that tiger bones have no medical properties at all. The oriental cultures are the greatest consumers of "tiger products", and until the governments of those countries completely ban the products AND severely enforce laws, poaching will not stop until the tiger disappears. Personnelly I think anyone caught with tiger parts should be used as bait for the tiger tag and release program!

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #49472 - 08/02/06 05:31 AM

The few tigers left are just practicing a bit of retroactive birth control...something those backward minded people need to practice in earnest. Maybe the government should have a captive breeding program to release large numbers of tigers into the general population?...just my "modest proposal"...

Where in Jonathen Swift when we need him?

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: bulldog563]
      #49520 - 08/02/06 01:55 PM

In reply to:

Do they destroy the Tiger when it kills a person these days?




No I do not think so.

I don't think this was a "maneater" incident ie a tiger that hunts and kills humans for food as prey. I think the incident was of a boy that blundered onto the tiger while it was feeding on the cow.

Where there is a 'proper' maneater I think permits are issued and they do try to hunt and kill it. A couple of years ago I read of a couple leopard being shot for this reason.

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As for the value of game, as a guesstimate I worked out Kanha might get in about US$700,000 a year from foreign tourist fees. If they do have 350 tigers in population, several could be hunted as trophies each year, and this could be done away from the tourist areas. I would imagine a trophy fee of US$1 million per tiger would not be that difficult to sell. Even one per year could double the parks forex budget.

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Some of the parks country used to be farming lands of the local people. Many of the large open fields in Kanha and also in Bandhavgargh used to be villages and farming plots. These people were displaced by the creation of the park and I wonder what sort of compensation they got.

Nowadays many of these people act as guides. Each tourist vehicle usually has a resort guide and driver. On entering the parks all the vehicles queued up waiting for the gate opening times. The guides would go off and register at the office and be assigned a 'native guide' which was done by rotation ie the next person on the list. So the quality of the native guide would depend on pure luck depending on their bush skills. Most were very alert and would see game before anyway else and would try to point out things to us, given limited English skills.

We were encouraged to tip these guys if they were good. I imagine they were paid some flat fee for the guiding trip, but we did tip them quite well. Putting theory into practice. These bush skilled guys must get value from the parks else they could well think poaching is a means to an end.

In India where an average wage is only about R3500 per month, about US$75, giving a 'native' guide, especially if he is good, a R100 tip for half a day, doesn't hurt a Westerner much at all, but means a big increase in income for the guide.






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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: luv2safari]
      #49650 - 10/02/06 09:43 AM

I may be wrong of course, but in my humble opinion the problem with India's tigers is the same problem their elephants are having. And that is not enough habitat. From what I've heard they have more tigers than they have room for. I believe it is because each male tiger requires so much space for a territory or something like that. Does anyone know more about this? ALso personally I think that since they have more than they have room for, VERY controlled hunting could be a good way to raise money for tiger conservation. The same for the elephants too. To bad the rhinos and lions arnt in as good a shape. Damn shame. It would be nice if they were in good enough shape to be hunted to raise conservation money too. Anyways good huntin!

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: Sunshine]
      #49707 - 11/02/06 12:04 AM

Hows this !

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #49740 - 11/02/06 10:00 AM

45's-

I think you have been misinformed. Lions and Rhinos are in much better shape then Tigers are in at the moment. Sport hunting for rhino is allowed in South Africa and Lions are sport hunted in most all African countries that allow hunting in the first place. Elephants are extremely overpopulated in quite a few Southern African countries and are also allowed to be sport hunted in most African countries with a good population of them.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: bulldog563]
      #49756 - 11/02/06 10:38 PM

bulldog:
I believe 45s is referring to the Indian lion and rhino. They are at the desperate stage I believe, although there are a couple of reserves which appear to be working well. The Indian elephant is apparently pretty scarce in the wild these days, too.

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: Marrakai]
      #49766 - 12/02/06 04:40 AM

Thank you Marrakai, I was referring to the indian lion and rhino. I believe it is a shame they are not in good enough shape to be hunted. Maybe some day if conservation efforts pay off well, we can hope. And as for African Rhino hunting, hopefully the Black Rhino will be huntable soon. In South Africa one was hunted for the first time in god knows how long, ...at a cost of over $150,000 US. Its a start though. And I may be mistaken but White Rhino can only be hunted in certain places and only on ranchs. However the only white rhino hunts I can find advertised are "dart hunts" which is pretty silly to me, but to each his own. As for Indian Elephant, from what Ive heard they are like tigers, more of them than they have room for. The conflicts between farming villages and elephants are getting to be quite the problem I hear. I wish the Indian government would consider hunting as a viable management tool, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Anyways good huntin!

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Re: MANEATER AND VICTIM [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #49886 - 14/02/06 04:06 AM

In reply to:

ALso personally I think that since they have more than they have room for, VERY controlled hunting could be a good way to raise money for tiger conservation.




I agree. But I think neither the political will nor inclination is there.




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