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Huvius
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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Buchsemann]
#324811 - 18/02/19 07:26 AM

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Huvius, you need help.

BOY do I ever!!

Holland & Holland Woodward patent 450NE
Alex Henry hammerless 450bpe
Alex Henry 500bpe
Alex Henry 577 3-1/4"bpe
Turner 500 No.2bpe
Hussey Ltd. Lee Speed 303

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Huvius]
#324817 - 18/02/19 12:08 PM

God Almighty!

I think he is one fine fellow. Otherwise I would hate his guts and liver!

Ben, we need to get together and shoot.

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: CptCurl]
#324820 - 18/02/19 02:11 PM

In Colorado? Let me know when. PLEASE!!!!!!!

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Huvius]
#325019 - 23/02/19 03:37 AM

Not quite up to Huvius' standard but for your interest

Alexander Henry Best rifle in .450 No. 2 Musket for the Duke of Marlborough (Winston Churchill's grandfather) 7 January 1877

Alexander Henry plain grade rifle in .450 Express, one of 3 ordered together by the Duke of Westminster for his stalkers??
2 October 1894

Early George Gibbs Match rifle, 1870s? rebarrelled to .500 3" by Jeffrey, probably early 1900s

Farquharson in 450/400 3/14" Nitro by Thomas Turner (who made many rifles for WJ Jeffery)
Dates 1903-1910, debatable after discussion with Jonathan Kirton

Maybe a few more to follow

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: TH44]
#325020 - 23/02/19 03:50 AM

A few more

Westley Richards 1871 "Improved Martini" in .577/500 No.2 Express

Westley Richards 1869 "Improved Martini" in .450 No. 1 (1 1/2") Carbine

Field's Patent in the above calibre (both similar to .45-75)

.577/450 Sporting rifle by I Hollis (for the South African Market with those sights!)

TH44

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: TH44]
#325021 - 23/02/19 04:02 AM

The smaller ones

.577 Snider in a Rook Rifle action by J Kerr, you know when you shoot it!

Westley Richards Monkey Tail .450 for the South African market

10 bore ball gun, unmarked, probably converted from a shotgun

.360 2 1/4" "Miniature Express, built as a pinfire by Dickson, converted (when?) by Alexander Henry to centrefire

That's it for the moment

TH44

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: TH44]
#325052 - 23/02/19 08:46 AM

Any loads for these splendid specimens TH44?
Would be an enormous collection of work just these ones alone!
All you can say is just....WOW!

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: 93x64mm]
#325053 - 23/02/19 08:54 AM

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Any loads for these splendid specimens TH44?
Would be an enormous collection of work just these ones alone!
All you can say is just....WOW!

I was just wondering the same thing, only from the aspect of UK’s laws wherein one can posess an antique or obsolete weapon “off licence” as long as the caliber is on an approved list and no ammo is held.

TH44,
They are all beauties and such a shame that they probably (just my guess) are relegated to not being fired.
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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: 3DogMike]
#325055 - 23/02/19 09:10 AM

TH44, a very impressive group of single shot rifles! Thanks for showing them.

Hopefully others will join in.

Curl

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: CptCurl]
#325057 - 23/02/19 09:19 AM

Nice indeed.

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Sarg]
#325061 - 23/02/19 01:59 PM

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Holy heck those are some awesome rifles, I was thinking I might put a few of my old buggers up, but I'm too embarrassed now !!

Sarge, go ahead. It takes all types and all sizes of wallets too.

Here is an impetus for you. Not up to the standard displayed here either, but I am not shy.

I do not have a rifle "from across the pond" but "across the state/colonial border".

My Rosier Martini-Henry sporting rifle in .577/450. From the same maker reported to have supplied firearms to the Kelly Gang, and a similar era firearm.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2418&an=&page=0&vc=1

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: CptCurl]
#325062 - 23/02/19 02:00 PM

OK guys, what is the rationale for some single shots having a hammer on the left side as well as the more common right side?

For left handed shooters?

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: NitroX]
#325086 - 24/02/19 12:15 AM

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OK guys, what is the rationale for some single shots having a hammer on the left side as well as the more common right side?

For left handed shooters?

Alexander Henry often used a left-hand lock on his single shot rifles to aid a right-handed shooter. It puts the hammer out of the way for loading and unloading the rifle. Access to the breech is completely clear of the hammer.

With the hammer on the right side of the rifle a right-handed shooter must navigate around the hammer to load or unload his rifle.

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: CptCurl]
#325087 - 24/02/19 12:59 AM

That makes sense and I agree as to the ease of loading and unloading a rifle with a left hand lock but it seems rather random.
Oddly, all of my Alexander Henry retailed rifles have right hand locks and the two retailed by Dickson, Purdey and both have left hand locks.

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: 3DogMike]
#325103 - 24/02/19 09:29 AM

Mike - your question about shooting in the UK - I am most jealous of you guys in the US and elsewhere who can shoot these rifles easily

I have .577 and .577/450 on licence and irregularly shoot them, although only on a range
There is an anomaly that I can chop/change them from obsolete calibre to legal firearm albeit with time consuming paperwork - peculiar and illogical bit much better than not being able to shoot them at all

I also am a (police) approved "servant" of a Registered Firearms Dealer friend and as such, if the rifle is temporarily put on his records I can legally test and shoot it, although I do not abuse it

I have used Nitro for black using 4831 - 40% of black in a .577 Snider but did not use a magnum primer (essential IMHO) and had unburned powder everywhere and potential for detonation ! so:
All my shooting of them now with BP only, (what most of the were designed for) plenty of information around for that and reasonable accuracy
The .577/450 I use the lighter carbine bullet 405 grain instead of the 480 grain rifle bullet, ahead of 85 grains of BP it is easier on my old shoulder!

Thanks for all your positive comments, it is a pleasure to communicate with like minds

Tony

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: NitroX]
#325110 - 24/02/19 02:54 PM

It might be old but its a pretty good looking rifle none the less, I would be happy to own it.

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#325144 - 25/02/19 11:04 AM

I don't know John, there are some fantastic firearms depicted here & mine are pale by comparison & half restored to lol !

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Re: Four From Across the Pond [Re: Sarg]
#325195 - 26/02/19 10:02 AM

John - I agree with Matt, you have a genuine original shooter that would take any game and has real character, nothing to be embarrassed about, we all love to see them
Everybody please post!

Tony

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