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Ripp
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Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm
#315861 - 30/04/18 11:10 PM

Went shooting with some former military guys yesterday.. formal training..shooting at moving targets, behind barriers, kneeling, laying flat, on sides,..drills on paper, steel, wood, and windshields.. We each sent over 600 rounds down range yesterday, fun was had by all..

Towards the end we did a bit of bullet testing and shared some stories..this was my take away..

1. One former military instructor shot a smaller Griz in self defense last year just outside Yellowstone National Park.. I remembered the story in the local news.. I didn't know what gun he used until now.. was a Glock model 19 shooting Buffalo Bore 147 Gr +P loads ..one shot...bear ran about 20yards and tipped over..bullet hit top of heart, lungs.. bullet was not recovered by Feds..so, that is 2 bears I now am aware of shot and killed with a 9mm..this one and Phil Shoemaker.. while I would NEVER want to use a 9mm for brown bears/griz..its nice to know you might at least have a chance should the need arise..

2. Hornady Critical Defense--135 GR in 9mm bullets worked extremely well shooting through a windshield.. hit POA in all instances during our test..was not the case with most other ammo..actually used my concealed carry for this test, a S&W Shield..so short barrel..3"..but was impressive display..

3. The 9mm was actually out penetrating 40S&W shooting same constructed bullet..when shot into wood/windshield.. etc

4. The Federal Loads, 124 gr, with large hollow point did not do well on the windshield test..fragged and hit all over the place.. sorry don't know which bullet it was.

5. The Buffalo Bore solid cast core loads hit a bit high out of the windshield..but hit with authority on the steel plate behind it..If I was out hiking/camping with the family in the forest, would use this load...in town/city will use the Hornady Critical Defense 135 Gr..based on what I saw yesterday..If all I had was a 9mm that is...

Here in Montana and other areas in the west when hiking in the forest, I prefer my titanium S&W in 44 mag--4" barrel shooting 300gr or more solid cast cores... sometimes do carry the 10mm with Buffalo Bore ammo ..however if in Griz country, nothing less than 44 mag..

Ripp

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Edited by Ripp (01/05/18 01:09 AM)

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Ripp]
#315872 - 01/05/18 01:13 AM

Makes sense yes - deep pen for the bush, rapid expansion for the city.
I has some truncated core Buffalo Barn hard cast loaded up for my m29 with 20gr. I think, of H110 or 296- same thing.
Those were really brutal in that gun with the short round grip - painful even - but my hard cast 275's at 1,210fps are quite controllable with standard grips and easier shooting using AL7 powder.
With standard grips the 300gr. are still too much for my old crippled hands.
Gone are the days of shooting ipsc with full power .44 mag loads. LOL - THAT was fun, but took it's toll.

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Ripp]
#315882 - 01/05/18 08:33 AM

Interesting info there Ripp.

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: DarylS]
#315883 - 01/05/18 08:37 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for the post shoot report Ripp and yes, very interesting.
I think technology has finally caught up with/for the smaller pistol calibers.

I would have never thought a 9mm, would have been a Grizzly slayer!
As always, bullet placement is everything.

D'oh!
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Ripp
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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Homer]
#315911 - 01/05/18 11:16 PM

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G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for the post shoot report Ripp and yes, very interesting.
I think technology has finally caught up with/for the smaller pistol calibers.

I would have never thought a 9mm, would have been a Grizzly slayer!
As always, bullet placement is everything.

D'oh!
Homer

Speaking of technology catching up..
Have you seen these..Polymer bullets

https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/polymer-composite-bullet-accuracy-put-to-the-test

Been reading several articles about these as well..

Ripp

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Ripp]
#315931 - 02/05/18 08:35 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Yes I had seen images of these before but not a report on them (Thanks for sharing Ripp!).
The fluted version looks very business like and they all look to be very accurate.

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Ripp]
#315936 - 02/05/18 09:49 AM

Ripp, I have read about those poly bullets before. I wouldn't mind trying some when they hit our shores. Thanks for posting.

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Ripp
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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Rule303]
#315963 - 02/05/18 10:52 PM

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Ripp, I have read about those poly bullets before. I wouldn't mind trying some when they hit our shores. Thanks for posting.

I agree..plan to get ahold of some asap and give them a try..

Ripp

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Re: Bullet testing of sorts-- 9mm [Re: Ripp]
#316215 - 08/05/18 11:53 PM

Ironically saw this on a website this morning..further substantiates my findings as well while testing various mediums a couple weeks back...

This bullet proved very capable in every test we did including windshields.. 135gr ..have since loaded up my carry guns with this ammo...

Hornady Awarded FBI 9 mm+P Ammunition Contract

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=0518

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Edited by Ripp (08/05/18 11:55 PM)

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