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One Day WDM Bell went to London
      #313968 - 14/03/18 02:17 PM

From the J. Rigby & Sons Ledgers

Wednesday March 31 1937

Capt WDM Bell
Brought in .275 H.V. (high velocity) T.D (take–down) rifle with scope in case,
.220 Swift Winchester in card box and .22 Rigby Mauser in cover.
Fit a new barrel to the 275 for H.V cartridge
Fit a gold bead to foresight a shade smaller than the bead on his Winchester
Refit scope ¼ inch forward nearer muzzle
Also if possible fit the scope to the Winchester rifle to interchange with the .275
Regulate scope for the Swift cartridge with 48 grain sp bullet and 150 yards only
Fit a metal collar to forward lenses of scope to prevent rain from getting on lenses
Will call for rifles on Sept 1 or 2
He wants to sell the .22 Mauser. Put on second hand rack
Will accept 10 pounds near.


(Context – WDM Bell was an active deer stalker in Scotland once he returned from Africa and settled down with his wife at Corriemollie in Garve, Rossshire, after he returned from his last African safari trip, in 1924. To the end of his days he was a gun aficionado.
The .275 rifle mentioned is the take down rifle he purchased from Rigby in 1923 for the overland road trip with the Forbes in that year. This rifle was most famously later purchased from his estate by Ruark and gifted to Mark Selby. The rifle was scoped, using a side mount.
The Winchester is the .220 Swift Model 70 that he used on red deer in Scotland. It seems that he had been previously using the rifle with iron sights (peep sight almost certainly, as other of his rifles had been fitted with aperture sights by this period also) Here is having it fitted for the same scope that was on the .275, and has asked for a rain collar or shade to be fitted also. Scotland is very wet.
The .22 Rigby Mauser is a .22 Hipower on a Mauser action (a most beautiful little rifle, I have seen photographs of it) that he purchased from Rigby in 1929, (and was fitted with a cocking piece peep sight.) Again this was a deer stalking rifle. The .22 Hipower he was very fond of even having used on earlier rifle chambered in this cartridge on buffalo in West Africa, but here he is selling the rifle.
My interpretation of this rifle shuffle is that the Winchester .220 Swift is now to be his main deerstalking rifle. )



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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #313969 - 14/03/18 02:52 PM

He certainly did like the the small calibre's...no doubt

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #313973 - 14/03/18 06:51 PM

CarlsenHighway thanks for posting. That is a very interesting bit of history.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Rule303]
      #313978 - 14/03/18 10:01 PM

That .22 Rigby Mauser (22 High Power) would be a very interesting rifle to see. I wonder whether they used a Kurtz action or a standard action.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #313985 - 15/03/18 01:18 AM

Thanks for this, very interesting and a great photo of Bell that I hadn't seen before.

I thought Bell's .220 swift was a Winchester 54, not a 70 but this seems to clear that up. He wrote a piece about the cartridge for the American Rifleman or one of the British sporting publications but I have not read it and don't know the date or publication. Would love to read it.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: mckinney]
      #314001 - 15/03/18 09:16 AM

McKinney, sorry all I have done is muddy the waters on that point - I typed "model 70" out of habit - I too think it would probably be most likely a Winchester 54 - Bell was a progressive and it would be just like him to get a .220 Swift straight away once it came out.

I have no proof however either way that his Winchester was a 54 or a 70 at this stage, although he does refer once to the superiority of the 'speed lock' on the Winchester, (faster lock time) which I believe was a selling point of the Model 54 in early advertising.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: paradox_]
      #314012 - 15/03/18 04:34 PM

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He certainly did like the the small calibre's...no doubt




Not only did he like them, he certainly knew how to use them. Would have been an interesting man to spend time with but then so would many of those early hunters. More than anything else would love to share a machan with Jim Corbett looking down on a maneater tiger as it crunched it way through a bait animal before Jim turned it's lights out.
Shoulder to shoulder with Bell as he pulled down on elephant after elephant with his little 7mm Rigby, I would just watch, too frightened to disgrace myself against such a shot as he was.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #314024 - 16/03/18 02:40 AM

Carlsen

If it was a 54 I'd love to know the serial number. I have 2 54's in .220 Swift with British proofs, both from UK auctions over the years and both pretty well worn on the exterior. I doubt anything belonging to the great man would have found its way to a UK auction house without being attributed to him, but would be good to know. More likely my 2 guns were bought by British sportsmen after reading Bell's writings. I'll try to make an effort to find that article.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: mckinney]
      #314040 - 17/03/18 02:03 AM

In a 1954 postumous article in American Rifleman ("Big bores vs Small bores") Bell wrote that he used nothing but a .220 for deer stalking.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Sportingbookworm]
      #314192 - 20/03/18 08:59 AM

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In a 1954 postumous article in American Rifleman ("Big bores vs Small bores") Bell wrote that he used nothing but a .220 for deer stalking.




Our red deer must have got a lot tougher - to think that 100gn 243 is the min allowed by law. And reading the UK forums - 270win absolute minimum and 300 win mag preferred option.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: HeymSR20]
      #314218 - 20/03/18 04:56 PM

Quote:

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In a 1954 postumous article in American Rifleman ("Big bores vs Small bores") Bell wrote that he used nothing but a .220 for deer stalking.




Our red deer must have got a lot tougher - to think that 100gn 243 is the min allowed by law. And reading the UK forums - 270win absolute minimum and 300 win mag preferred option.




A .224 high powered bullet of a fragile nature into the lungs of a deer will kill it quickly. Also of course a brain or spine shot.

Bell appears to have been an expert and cool marksman when hunting. Most hunters are not. What he did, others usually can not do.

I DO use my .222 on fallow deer a lot. But in my farm paddocks. Where if shot incorrectly they can't run away too far. For field hunting, ie real hunting, not shooting farm deer, I use a 6.5 or .30.

But NZ hunters often did and probably still do, use .22 centrefires for deer. I remember an article about a Kiwi flying over to Sydney to buy a .22 Hornet as his next wonderful red deer venison rifle.

Legal minimums are often decided upon because of dickheads using lesser calibres, and not the marksmen who can use them.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Sportingbookworm]
      #314225 - 20/03/18 08:54 PM

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In a 1954 postumous article in American Rifleman ("Big bores vs Small bores") Bell wrote that he used nothing but a .220 for deer stalking.




He had a known fondness for using the 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenauer on elephant.




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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #314283 - 21/03/18 07:28 PM

Quote:

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In a 1954 postumous article in American Rifleman ("Big bores vs Small bores") Bell wrote that he used nothing but a .220 for deer stalking.




He had a known fondness for using the 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenauer on elephant.







He ended up not liking it. Bell said the bullets would bend and hence not penetrate deep and true. He put it down to the bullet being to long and the nose decelerating to quick for the base so the base would try and catch the front. If the jacket was thicker this would not happen.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: Rule303]
      #314359 - 23/03/18 08:38 AM

(That photo of the chap sitting on the elephant is not Bell.)

As written above, Bell liked the small fast calibers for deer. .22 Hipower was a favourite, but the .220 Swift was his primary one after he got his Winchester. But he also had used the 7x57 and 6.5x54 on red deer as well.

I have not used the .220 Swift on deer, although I know people who use the .22-250 and they say it does indeed kill like lightening. I have used the .222 on red deer (at bush hunting ranges) and frankly they all died. I do not understand the UK energy minimums, they sound like something a bureaucrat who knew nothing about the subject would dream up to measure "killing power". You might as well measure how much smoke comes out of the barrel. (I have killed red deer with the .44-40 and black powder loads. An energy value of about 400ftpnds I think. Every bullet passed completely though and they all died within twenty feet.)
For example the .222 and .223 have been used in New Zealand on red deer both big and small by both recreational shooters and professional for decades. They would not be used if they were not effective.

And a .222 will kill in the right place as well as a .243 or a .270, whereas a bullet from any of them in the wrong place will not work at all.
I think I just paraphrased Bell

Bell initially gave up on his Fraser 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine because the ammunition was unreliable. This was common with most British sporting ammunition of the day. Misfires were common, Cases rupturing and blowing gas into the face of the shooter were a constant hazard. The most reliable cartridges of the time were military - the British .303 and the Mauser 7mm as made by DMW, and this is what he used for elephant.
I think cartridge reliability has a lot to do with his choices in the early days, and he says as much in one of his books - he is quite scathing about British sporting ammunition.

But what many people don't realise nowadays since he is such a legend for using the 7x57 on elephant, is the fact that by the outbreak of WW1, and then his safaris after the war, he had settled on the .318 Westley Richards with the 250 grain bullet as the best cartridge for his style of elephant hunting. He used several .318's also.
From about 1912 onwards he was a .318 Express shooter, as far as African game go. This puts him in line with many other hunters in the British empire.


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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #314377 - 23/03/18 06:10 PM

Victoria has minimum cartridges for Deer. They have in the last couple of years stuffed up a fairly good system. Yes there are those who are skilled enough to shoot and kill deer with minor calibres. Most are not and the idea is to prevent as much as possible the wounding of deer that could then die a slow death. Also the larger calibre allows for shots from non ideal angles. Yes there are those who will not pass up a shot when they should and it provides more penetration if a follow up shot is required.

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      #388794 - 11/01/25 05:21 PM

Just to add to the general knowledge base, and for those who may be interested:

I have discovered that WDM Bell's Winchester .22 Swift that he used for deerstalking was a Winchester Model 54 (with "speed lock") and that (as recorded in the Rigby ledger in the original post in this thread), was fitted by them with a Zeiss scope in 1937. (Probably a 2.5 power)

He wrote an article about the excellent results he had with it on red deer, and this article was published in GAME AND GUN just before WW2, so I assume that was sometime in 1939. I have not seen a copy of this article but would love to. Who know where it could be found? I don't know this publication. (He wrote another article in 1950 called the "The Neck Shot" for AMERICAN RIFLEMAN which mentions the .220 Swift prominently, which I do have a copy of, but from a description they are not the same article.)

I also have come across an account of Bell's last deer that he shot. (1950, at the age of seventy.) Here is the story. This was written by Mark Crudgington, whose gunsmith father did work for Bell:


"Bell’s forest was fairly modest however it was still a deer forest . Bell had a “mild " heart attack in 1948 and did not venture onto the hill much after this , preferring to “pot “ rabbits around his house , sometimes with Clarke . (A gunsmith friend of Bell's, and business partner of the writer's father.) However one year , guest rifles on the Corriemoillie forest wounded a stag ,whilst Clarke was in residence . They failed to secure the stag for 3 days despite it being seen on a couple of occasions “swinging a foreleg “ This state of affairs annoyed Bell immensely and he hatched a plan to take Clarke onto the hill in a pony and trap . after dropping Clarke off on the “ downwind “ end of the piece of ground , Bell and the driver would proceed as far as the trap could go , up wind and hope to move the stag , possibly in Clarke’s direction . If this failed then Clarke was to stalk up wind and try to find the Stag.

Well they got up onto the hill , Clarke armed with a very accurate ‘scope sighted 30-06 of his own make and Bell carrying a 318 , a companion that had slain many Elephants 30 years earlier . Nearing the spot Bell wanted Clarke to alight , up got a stag some 200 + yards away , a quick inspection confirmed the amazing luck that this was the one they wanted as it had a foreleg smashed just below the brisket .

Clarke slipped out of the trap unseen whilst the stag stared at this unusual interloper into it’s domain . Clarke crawled forward for a few yards , steadied himself , controlled his breathing and shot .

He missed the stag completely ; which now lurched off broadside to him , Clarke cycled the bolt and started to take aim when a shot rang out close by and the running stag pitched head over heels into the heather . Clarke looked up to see Bell slumping down in the trap ,which was moving around due to the skittish behaviour of the pony which had once again been scared by a rifle shot at close quarters and was giving the driver some anxious moments trying to control it .

When Clarke got to the stag he found it shot through the neck just forward of the shoulder , he gralloched it and dragged it back to the trap where Bell asked if it had been neck shot ? When told the affirmative the old man smiled and said “ my timing is not what it was , I was lucky not to miss it by shooting too far infront “ Clarke was amazed , this 70 year old man , in failing health had deliberately taken and pulled of the most amazing shot , as Clarke put it “I had ever witnessed with either a shotgun , rifle or pistol “ and this achieved by a heart attack survivor of about 70 years old ,standing up , shooting off hand without any sort of rest , whilst perched on an unstable and moving platform , with an open sighted rifle at an animal lurching at speed over uneven ground ."

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #388796 - 11/01/25 07:33 PM

Great story! Thanks for posting, CH.

By all accounts Bell was a very accomplished shot on moving game.
No doubt those many occasions spent shooting cormorants on the wing with a centre-fire rifle paid off!

Not to mention the many hundreds of elephant, most of which, after the first shot, would have been moving fast!

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      #388803 - 11/01/25 11:40 PM

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Not to mention the many hundreds of elephant, most of which, after the first shot, would have been moving fast!




No doubt.

But actually in his early biggest elephant days, the elephants of the Karamoja were unused to and unafraid of gunfire. ParT of his great success was the herds did nobrun away.

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      #388804 - 12/01/25 12:29 AM

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And a .222 will kill in the right place as well as a .243 or a .270, whereas a bullet from any of them in the wrong place will not work at all.




True and not true. A .22 CF in the shoulder will be a surface wound. Unless some super modern heavy .22 bullet of wonderful construction. Not sure such bullets exist?

A .243 90, 100 gr of good construction will probably work far better. A 6.5mm, .270, 7mm, .30 will drop it kill that deer. The margin for less precise shots is far superior.

Sure a .222 or .223 will kill a deer with a brain shot, heart shot, or lung shot. The later with a more fragile bullet. Hit a bone, a rib, maybe not.

There is a reason sub standard choices are not standard.

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Bell initially gave up on his Fraser 6.5 Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine because the ammunition was unreliable. This was common with most British sporting ammunition of the day. Misfires were common, Cases rupturing and blowing gas into the face of the shooter were a constant hazard. The most reliable cartridges of the time were military - the British .303 and the Mauser 7mm as made by DMW, and this is what he used for elephant.




I thought the lesser effect of the pointed Spitzer bullets were part of it? eg the .303.

The long round nosed 173 gr 7mm FMJ bullets were far superior.


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But what many people don't realise nowadays since he is such a legend for using the 7x57 on elephant, is the fact that by the outbreak of WW1, and then his safaris after the war, he had settled on the .318 Westley Richards with the 250 grain bullet as the best cartridge for his style of elephant hunting. He used several .318's also.
From about 1912 onwards he was a .318 Express shooter, as far as African game go. This puts him in line with many other hunters in the British empire.






Very true. He recommends the .318 WR in one of his books, as his "heavy" choice. And a .318 and a .450 for another safari hunter.

Interesting thread. Thanks for reopening. I remembering it as yesterday.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #388805 - 12/01/25 12:44 AM

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He wrote another article in 1950 called the "The Neck Shot" for AMERICAN RIFLEMAN

"Bell’s forest was fairly modest however it was still a deer forest . Bell had a “mild " heart attack in 1948 and did not venture onto the hill much after this , preferring to “pot “ rabbits around his house , sometimes with Clarke . (A gunsmith friend of Bell's, and business partner of the writer's father.) However one year , guest rifles on the Corriemoillie forest wounded a stag ,whilst Clarke was in residence . They failed to secure the stag for 3 days despite it being seen on a couple of occasions “swinging a foreleg “ This state of affairs annoyed Bell immensely and he hatched a plan to take Clarke onto the hill in a pony and trap . after dropping Clarke off on the “ downwind “ end of the piece of ground , Bell and the driver would proceed as far as the trap could go , up wind and hope to move the stag , possibly in Clarke’s direction . If this failed then Clarke was to stalk up wind and try to find the Stag.

Well they got up onto the hill , Clarke armed with a very accurate ‘scope sighted 30-06 of his own make and Bell carrying a 318 , a companion that had slain many Elephants 30 years earlier . Nearing the spot Bell wanted Clarke to alight , up got a stag some 200 + yards away , a quick inspection confirmed the amazing luck that this was the one they wanted as it had a foreleg smashed just below the brisket .

Clarke slipped out of the trap unseen whilst the stag stared at this unusual interloper into it’s domain . Clarke crawled forward for a few yards , steadied himself , controlled his breathing and shot .

He missed the stag completely ; which now lurched off broadside to him , Clarke cycled the bolt and started to take aim when a shot rang out close by and the running stag pitched head over heels into the heather . Clarke looked up to see Bell slumping down in the trap ,which was moving around due to the skittish behaviour of the pony which had once again been scared by a rifle shot at close quarters and was giving the driver some anxious moments trying to control it .

When Clarke got to the stag he found it shot through the neck just forward of the shoulder , he gralloched it and dragged it back to the trap where Bell asked if it had been neck shot ? When told the affirmative the old man smiled and said “ my timing is not what it was , I was lucky not to miss it by shooting too far infront “ Clarke was amazed , this 70 year old man , in failing health had deliberately taken and pulled of the most amazing shot , as Clarke put it “I had ever witnessed with either a shotgun , rifle or pistol “ and this achieved by a heart attack survivor of about 70 years old ,standing up , shooting off hand without any sort of rest , whilst perched on an unstable and moving platform , with an open sighted rifle at an animal lurching at speed over uneven ground ."





Good story. Thanks for posting.

I like the use of the pony and trap in this story. It harks back for me to a method described in an old large hard cover hunting encyclopaedia I have. I love that old book, old as in 1960s or 70s probably. Pictures! Described is a peasant method of hunting deer. The horse and hay cart or wagon is driven along the track past the fields with deer. As the wagon passes some trees or bushes, the hunters jump off unseen. The deer watch the wagon continue on its way and continue feeding. The hunters can shoot or stalk closer to the now undisturbed deer.

So simple but so effective. And in use by WDM Bel in the story.

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Re: One Day WDM Bell went to London [Re: NitroX]
      #388816 - 12/01/25 06:59 AM

As to the .22 killing big game, Nosler brought out the 60 grain partition bullet.
Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets work very well on our mule and white tailed deer.
Local friend of mine uses his .22-250 on mulies. He has shot 4 deer with it and all deer were in the middle of fields. His load using
IMR 4064 IIRC and driving the 45gr. TSX at 3,800fps only. It is an accuracy load, not a top vel. load.
3 deer dropped dead on the spot, shot through broadside and exited.
The 4th, walked 4 steps in a tight circle. Shot through the front of the chest, exiting behind the last rib on the off side.
When he used the Ruger #1 in 7x57 on them, with 140gr. Hornady SP at 2,900fps, every deer shot in the same field, made the bush, then dropped.
Same broadside shots, but no exits. Go figure.

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      #388821 - 12/01/25 04:31 PM

Hirtenberger made a 55 gr "Nosler" Partition in their 5.6x50 Magnum ammunition. I tried in a "Franconia" branded double rifle 42 years ago. .22 Magnum and 5.6x50 barrels. Only shot targets with it. Owned by a part time German immigrant who left it here if needed when visiting.

I guess the Hirtenberger ammunition was designed for roe deer hunting.

Some of these new bullet types Daryl mentions have probably been designed for AR15 .223 hunting needs. Monometal petal type bullets and Partitions probably work fine given the calibre limitations and the very low sectional density.

As I don't have any wild deer on my farm or neighbourhood when hunting small game I don't need similar bullets. Could be used for kangaroos I guess. If I had tags. My normal bullets work fine for most brain shots, maybe lung shots. The same bullets I use to head shoot fallow deer. Haven't hand loaded .222 or .223 for years. Using Remington 50 gr and 55 gr SP ammunition. I used to use 45 gr Hornady SPs. Hares, rabbits, foxes, crows, wallaroos, roos. Need to source a different bullet now to handload. The bullet needs to be fragile enough to have minimal fox fur damage, rabbit meat, using headshots. Even .222 will blow half a rabbit away at closer ranges. At 150 metres slow enough to be fine. A .22/250 is useless, way too fast.

In early days I used my .222 to hunt feral goats by the hundred. However too many wounded goats, needing to be followed up. Wasted effort and wasted time in rough arid rocky mountain country. When I lost my best ever set of horns on a billy which ran off after a chest shot into scrub and trees, never found, I traded up to a sensible decent rifle, in my case a .30-06. Never looked back. No wounded escapee feral goats, even less than perfect shots, dropped the goats and feral pigs. The difference between and more than adequate choice and a sub standard choice.

I wonder how many deer in NZ get lost to .22 Hornets, .222s, .223s and never are bothered to be followed up, if venison hunting? Plenty more to shoot without bothering .... It's like the sub standard water buffalo hunting "experts" shooting from their LandCruisers with .308s and the like. "No need for a big bore!" they claim. Yet can't be bothered to follow up inadequately shot and wounded buffalo. Left to die somewhere in pain. Too ffffing lazy, cruel and stupid bastards.

Hunters owe it to the animals and their own souls to shoot well, accurately, adequately and when not, make the effort to despatch the wounded animals. A larger calibre reduces the risk.

Back to Bell. He from the story, felt the same way. In the sense hecwas upset at the other hunters wounding and stag and after three days, still not having finished it off. So his friend and himself, set out to do so.

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John aka NitroX

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