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mehulkamdar
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: doublegunfan]
#31760 - 23/05/05 10:13 AM

Doublegunfan,

Thanks for the link, but I have had a very bad experience with a rifle that I bought on an auction site (not Gunsamerica) and which was not delivered after my payment was cashed. I have complained to the Postal Inspectors but no action has been taken by them. I shall check with Scheels and Gander Mountain to find out if they could help me in a couple of months time - hopefully, they would be able to help me find one.

Thanks for the link, and good hunting!

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doublegunfan
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: Oldsarge]
#31919 - 24/05/05 11:29 PM

Oldsarge,

You're right about the popularity of these guns in Europe. Here in Brazil the same happens, and because of the less complicated rules involving smoothbores, they are far more popular than rifles (keep in mind that in some places, even a rifled choke is also considered a rifle).
Anyway, although they are not Paradoxes by any definition, these smoothbore slug guns are actually very effective. Accuracy at 100metres is a plus, but not really necessary on the type of cover that we find here. Mostly, game is shot at 25-30 metres. Another thing that substanciate the choice of a smoothbore is that Brennekes and Fosters are available everywhere, and the Paradoxes and Faunettas required an especific type of projectile.

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mickey
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: doublegunfan]
#31922 - 24/05/05 11:38 PM

In reply to:

Brennekes and Fosters are available everywhere, and the Paradoxes and Faunettas required an especific type of projectile.

doublegunfun

My Faunetta shoots Remington 5/8 ounce to the sites at 100 yards. It could be better but it is pretty close for store bought. Velocity and bullet weight are very close to the original loads.

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MacNaughton
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: Marrakai]
#31956 - 25/05/05 12:23 PM

Marrakai. The Fabarm `Paradox` guns are rifled for about a 9 inch length in the `first` barrel. The second barrel is available with removable chokes but the Fabarm rifled `choke` is very short - ridiculous when they make much longer choke tubes for other guns in the range so why not an extended rifled tube for the Paradox guns second barrel ?
There is an obvious market for a Paradox double gun - especially in the in shotgun only States in the USA. Such a gun needs to be of true Paradox gun type with barrels of at least 28" and Paradox rifling in both - a dual purpose gun that is effective with both shot and slugs and has decent handling. Why manufacturers don`t cater for the demand is beyond me.

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Oldsarge
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: MacNaughton]
#31966 - 25/05/05 01:36 PM

M'view precisely! Well said, that man!

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Marrakai
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: MacNaughton]
#31968 - 25/05/05 01:42 PM

MacNaughton:
I think manufacturers could set up a true Paradox gun quite easily, even with removeable rifled chokes, but they are obviously shirking the cost/embuggerance of regulating the barrels. Product liability ...

...except Hollands, of course. I would have to take out a bank-loan just to touch one of their new Paradox guns! Anyone know how they're going with that? I expect they should have finished the first one by now: are they touring the US shows with it yet?

BTW, I have been in the early stages of making a Paradox gun for years now

, I have a nice Wm Griffiths boxlock with 'cropped' tubes ready for sleeving, and can't decide on the best option for making the barrels. I will be happiest with 26 or 27-inch tubes with fixed chokes I reckon. It would all be so easy in the States!

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doublegunfan
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: MacNaughton]
#32098 - 27/05/05 12:20 AM

"Such a gun needs to be of true Paradox gun type with barrels of at least 28 - a dual purpose gun".

Well, IMO, owners of such guns would probably shoot balls much more than shot. Modern made slug doubles usually will have much shorter barrels, 22" or 24", because they are actually not intended to be used for shot (maybe buckshot).
My feelings are that those looking for a modern made Paradox type of gun should also take a look at these smooth bores.
And please don't get me wrong, I would love to have a H&H Paradox or W-R Explora. It is just that maybe these Fabarms, Sabattis or Berettas are as fun as a true Paradox.

BTW, check the Beretta 471 Slug: http://www.beretta.it/index.aspx?m=74&idc=1&ids=40

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Oldsarge
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: doublegunfan]
#32148 - 27/05/05 12:29 PM

"Well, IMO, owners of such guns would probably shoot balls much more than shot. Modern made slug doubles usually will have much shorter barrels, 22" or 24", because they are actually not intended to be used for shot (maybe buckshot)."

Not in the US, they wouldn't! Here we expect our shotgun-only deerguns to group into 2-3" at 100 yards or better than that. Roundball guns simply wouldn't cut the mustard, IMO. Besides, roundball ammunition is purely a handloading proposition and if you are going to go through the trouble to case your own for loading, why would anyone choose a round ball over a proper Paradox cylindroconoidal bullet. Things may be different south of the equator but up here, I am sure that the real thing would sell quite well.

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doublegunfan
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: Oldsarge]
#32251 - 29/05/05 02:11 AM

Sarge

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Sorry, I should have said "slugs" instead of "balls". I am certain that a rifled barrel will always perform better that a smoothbore, especially at longer distances. What I am saying is that someone looking for a moderm slug gun or paradox-type gun should not overlook these European offerings. But I think you aggree with me that Paradoxes were more intended to be used with slugs than shot.

Fred

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Oldsarge
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Re: Paradox guns from Fabarm [Re: doublegunfan]
#32289 - 29/05/05 09:37 AM

Hi Fred,
The poor man's Paradox is, indeed, an O/U with popup sights and Brenneke slugs. That would be good to about 70 yards, with confidence, 100 yards if the deer was small and the shooter brave. I've considered trying to do that to my Citori come the day when I have time in the Fall to go bird hunting again, expecially where there are piggies. However, the original Paradox guns were designed to be "one gun to rule them all" in India and Africa where a farmer or junior officer might want to go hunting for either birds or game but could only afford one gun. The solution was splendid. Pity they have become such collector's items, I'd sure like the real thing.

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