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I wonder if the pig had ate some 1080?

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By the names I think Indian immigrants/refugees or similar, not Kiwi,s who know how to look after game from field to freezer, potentially any way ?

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I'd think a warm-weather immigrant would be better at handling food poisoning than the white appliance set.

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NE isn't a PC forum, but that is really quite a ridiculous statement.

Really it is the sort of racism we see from the PC sorts.

White dumb and bad. Brownies good, oppressed and smart.

If you have ever visited India, or South East Asia, the average person has NO IDEA of wildlife. No idea of butchering. No idea of hunting. No idea of nature. Living their whole life in urban environments, in the city with other teeming millions, packed together.

As for meat in a "brown" hot humid environment where it goes off quickly. First meat is often expensive and much more rarely eaten. Sometimes not at all for cultural reasons. Especially pork or pig meat. Which can often be more risky as well. Meat in an urban environment might be bought "fresh" in an old style open market. Or shrink wrapped from a supermarket like we do. Most urbanites anywhere have never butchered anything. Also in Asia there is another reason for strong curries. Curry hides the flavour of rotten or off meat. Also to some extent if well cooked removes from the intestinal effects later on.

Now Babu and co, if new immigrants, and keen to learn about the outdoors, may have gone inexperienced out into the bush to get a bush pig. As we know handling a pig, and butchering a pig needs a little more care than some other animals.

Or these poor people, experienced or not, brown or white, may have eaten something infected somehow, by some disease, infected during butchering or after, or poisoned by 1080.

Very sad result for them. And scary for any hunter. A poisoned animal may well be easier to hunt and kill, but might still look not too bad, especially if seen and shot quickly. And what a horrible result as was in this case.

Personally even though 1080 is used by the farming industry, I lean towards not liking it all. And lean towards it being banned. Never used it myself. A neighbour I believe uses it for "fox" control. has warning signs on his boundary fences, permanently there, which is also incorrect and lazy. Should only be put out before bait is put out and removed some time later. Defeats their purpose to be permanently there.

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There's nothing pc about my statement. At one family wedding I attended there were 100 people of which 10 were born in Canada...the general color of my extended family is brown. As an observed fact, they are better at dealing with foodborne stuff.

Remembering that immigrants from overseas are usually top class in their home countries and it's not until arrival that they're taken down 47 notches, the people who're sick have a better chance of being pharmacists or engineers than hillbillies -- like my father in law who arrived in Canada with two engineering degrees and was forced to dig ditches for $3.25 hr cause the locals figured he was stupid.

But I digress. Point being: botulism requires 10-30 C in a saltless, anaerobic, basic environment. Potato salad in the sun for five hours, or sausage made with bad meat or otherwise neglected. As an fyi much high end sausage is left at room temp to 'bloom' for hours. It's accepted practice. But animal muscle tissue is aerobic and acidic, and unlikely to have botulism in any quantity. The inside of a muscle is essentially pure. And the only likely food poisoning outcome is the barf-n-vomit weekender.

What is most likely, to me, is 1080 or vegetable poisoning, especially if they ate the intestines, which based on Youtube videos is a likely first stop for non-Islamic Asians.

This is a great forum. I wouldn't polute it with PC lol!

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There's nothing pc about my statement. At one family wedding I attended there were 100 people of which 10 were born in Canada...the general color of my extended family is brown. As an observed fact, they are better at dealing with foodborne stuff.

Remembering that immigrants from overseas are usually top class in their home countries and it's not until arrival that they're taken down 47 notches, the people who're sick have a better chance of being pharmacists or engineers than hillbillies -- like my father in law who arrived in Canada with two engineering degrees and was forced to dig ditches for $3.25 hr cause the locals figured he was stupid.

But I digress. Point being: botulism requires 10-30 C in a saltless, anaerobic, basic environment. Potato salad in the sun for five hours, or sausage made with bad meat or otherwise neglected. As an fyi much high end sausage is left at room temp to 'bloom' for hours. It's accepted practice. But animal muscle tissue is aerobic and acidic, and unlikely to have botulism in any quantity. The inside of a muscle is essentially pure. And the only likely food poisoning outcome is the barf-n-vomit weekender.

What is most likely, to me, is 1080 or vegetable poisoning, especially if they ate the intestines, which based on Youtube videos is a likely first stop for non-Islamic Asians.

This is a great forum. I wouldn't polute it with PC lol!

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Not a problem. Where I am coming from, is I have had Indian friends and acquaintances in Australia who seem to have never stepped off concrete in their lives before coming here.

A Jain friend once asked me to take him out hunting. First time, he forgot to come. Second time he arrived hours late. In the middle of the day, wrong time for game so took him for a walk. And some target shooting. "Stalking" around rabbit holes, he just strood around, seemed to purposely step on every twig and leaf, did copy me to use cover, was completely clueless. An IT guy.

He was committing complete sacrilege. Later I found out also Jain's believe in killing nothing, even insects. Visiting a Jain temple in India one was supposed to remove all leather for example before entering. The buggers even wanted my leather wallet ... which of course they did not get.

Others have been similar. Usually when visiting India, Sri Lanka, SE Asia the guides are completely clueless about nature. "Speciality" local guides living in the country/bush are different.

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Turned out to be botulism apparently. Still seems like a peculiar timeline unless they used an old sauce or something.

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Thanks for reporting on that.

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Botulism would seem to be ruled out in this interview with the family. 45 minutes cooking meat in pressure cooker is surely enough! Doctors seem to think that it was not typical for botulism. Suspicion again falling on the meat being from 1080 poisoned wild animals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMCSjs8ICw&feature=youtu.be

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