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paradox_
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Mannlicher Advice
      #306086 - 07/10/17 05:19 PM

I am awaiting delivery of a 1910 9.5x57, which has a 24 inch barrel. So what I hear you saying.
Now here is the twist, it is a full stock!!!
I have , and have had a few of these, but never a full length barrel stocked to the muzzle.
Can ayone throw some light... or has owned one. Im thinking a special order???.
It does have British proofs, andd appears to be your typical Mannlicher stock.

Some pics to follow.

Best
Eric

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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: paradox_]
      #306088 - 07/10/17 05:30 PM

Sounds very interesting, looking forward to seeing some photos.

Waidmannsheil.

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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: paradox_]
      #306092 - 07/10/17 09:42 PM

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I am awaiting delivery of a 1910 9.5x57, which has a 24 inch barrel. So what I hear you saying.
Now here is the twist, it is a full stock!!!
I have , and have had a few of these, but never a full length barrel stocked to the muzzle.
Can ayone throw some light... or has owned one. Im thinking a special order???.
It does have British proofs, andd appears to be your typical Mannlicher stock.

Some pics to follow.

Best
Eric



G'day, Eric.

Per the 1939 Stoeger Catalog (touted as 'sole importer of MS rifles and carbines to the U.S), "Upon special order and at an extra charge, the following special work can be carried out by the factory:
Extra long barrel, up to 23 inches, caliber 6.5 m/m........ $15.00
Extra long barrel, up to 24 inches, caliber 8.2 m/m........ 15.00
Extra long barrel, up to 25 inches, caliber 9 m/m........ 15.00
Extra long barrel, up to 26 inches, caliber 9.5 m/m........ 15.00
Sight protector............................................ 1.00
Stock of specially selected pretty wood.................... 20.00
Stock specifications differing from standard............... 15.00
Full stock in rifles which normally have half stock........ 10.00
Horn cap at the muzzle of sporter type..................... 8.00
Telescope mount and shooting in, exclusive of cost of 'scope ( see pages 238-241 and add cost of desired telescope)
Special testing or shooting in with foreign ammunition...... 35.00
Extra for rib............................................... 35.00
Antinit without rib......................................... 30.00
Antinit with rib............................................ 45.00
Special folding peep sight.................................. 12.00
Takedown model extra........................................ 15.00
Extra light rifles (not for high speed rifles).............. 25.00"


It seems that as of 1939, one could order a 1910 with a barrel 'up to 26 inches' (+$15.00), 'stock specifications differing from standard' (+$15.00), and / or 'full stock in rifles which normally have half stock' (+$10.00).

Rather accommodating, they were.

I'd post scans of the relevant catalog pages, but have had no success in previous attempts to do so.

BR.



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Edited by Rothhammer1 (09/10/17 02:39 PM)

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2152hq
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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #306101 - 08/10/17 01:04 AM

I have an early 1910 w/a 24" (?) bbl,,full length raised rib. 9.5x56MS
The rifle originally had a full length stock and standard muzzle cap. You can see the line in the bluing along the bbl sides where the wood and the cap were.
IIRC the rifle was made/proofed in 1912. It is retailer marked 'BArrella,Berlin' and has a German (re)proof on the bbl w/a 1913 date. I hope I am remembering the dates correctly as I haven't take the rifle out for quite some time.
When I bought it, it had been cut back to just forward of the front swivel and rounded over.,,a US GI 'bring back souvenier from WW2 said his brother who was selling it.

I can assume the cut full length stock was the so called 'duffle-bag cut' commonly done then to be able to put the taken down stock and bbl'd action into a soldiers duffle back for personal carry on & off the transport ship. Lots of other souvenier rifles have the same issue.

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Louis
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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: 2152hq]
      #306102 - 08/10/17 04:35 AM

Paradox, I own a model 1903 (dated 1926) with 23-inch barrel and full stock; I posted it on the Forum once but I assume photos are now gone. The rifle is in mint condition, the barrel (intermediate between light and heavy) looks to be original as well as the stock (serial number stamped into). I assume that special orders were possible from Mannlicher Schoenauer as outlined by Rothhammer1 as this case, although not common, is not rare.
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paradox_
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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: Louis]
      #306119 - 08/10/17 04:28 PM

Thank you gentlemen, much appreciated, it seems like the Orbendof Mauser, you could have what you wanted!
Not having the rifle to hand yet, I cant date it, buts its an early one I guess 1300 serial numbe Model 1910.
Looks like I have a special order confiq.

Many thanks again

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Eric

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Louis
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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: paradox_]
      #306129 - 09/10/17 03:40 AM

Eric,should you want to guess about your Model 1910 date of manufacture, my own stutzen's serial number is 3829 and is dated 1920.
Louis

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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: Louis]
      #306135 - 09/10/17 08:46 AM

Thank you Louis....13XX will be quite early then...all will soon be revealed!

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Re: Mannlicher Advice [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #306146 - 09/10/17 02:13 PM

"I'd post scans of the relevant catalog pages, but have had no success in previous attempts to do so."

BR.


Well, great day in the morning.

I've finally added an image to a post on NitroExpressForums!

If only I could get an 'avatar' to post... .

Anyhow, now that I've cleared the hurdle, I have a 1939 Stoeger catalog that I have carefully deconstructed and scanned into my computer for the purpose of sharing images on information forums such as this.

Stoeger billed themselves as the 'sole importer' for Mannlicher Schoenauer arms to the U.S. in 1939 and there are several relevant entries of MS rifles and carbines, ammo, ballistics data, scopes, etcetera.

I will start a thread for groups of these images.

For now, here's the photo that I'd like to have as my 'avatar' (hint, hint, moderators), that of my Grandfather (John F. Easton) with his 'kitty'.


'Johnny's Cat' - John F. Easton, center, with M1910 Takedown




Sorry if I 'hijacked' your thread, Paradox.

Brian Rothhammer

Edited by Rothhammer1 (10/10/17 08:39 PM)

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