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Tom_H
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Ok, so what did I buy here?
      #304972 - 08/09/17 08:17 AM

Saw this pop up and it wasn't an impulse buy because I actually called someone else before making the order.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=54762

I can't find any info on the 7.5x60

Should be here early next week. There was also a Shilling but this one looked a bit cleaner.

Also, is this really a 71 or is it an 88?

Thanks

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: Tom_H]
      #304975 - 08/09/17 09:13 AM

Looks like an 1888 to me.
Very much like a Haenel.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: Huvius]
      #304979 - 08/09/17 09:57 AM

D no not know Tom - but at some time in the 71's future, the Mauser Brothers Changed to a double recoil lug in the model 71. Perhaps this was then called the model 72, preceding the 88.

There was a 71/84, which went to a .446" groove diameter from the previous .454" to .457" in the .43 Mauser.

The switch to a 7mm on the basic 71 action is rather gutsy.

Does kinda look like a cross between the 71 and 88, doesn't it?

The 60mm case leads me to believe they necked down the .43 Mauser case, which has similar case diameter dimensions (but with rim, of course) to the standard magnum case of the H&H case without a belt.

I actually made some .43 Mauser cases with H&H brass, belts turned off. Of course, extraction was iffy.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: DarylS]
      #305009 - 09/09/17 12:12 AM

It is certainly a sporting rifle built on a M88 "Commission Rifle" action. Haenel made a lot of these, but so did V.C.Schilling and other Suhl gunmakers. The pre-1912 service load marking 2.67 gramm GewehrBlättchenPulver = 41 gr (military) rifle flake powder (smokeless) points to the 8x57I as the original chambering, but the rifle may have been rechambered to 8x60I in the 1920s, due to lack of the then forbidden 8x57 ammo. If so, there should be a crown/R repair proofmark under the barrel. Take the rifle apart and post a photo of all the marks on the underside of the barrel. That 7.5x60 may come from a common misunderstanding of the old German proofmarks: The German proofhouses did neither mark the cartridge designation, nor the bullet or groove diameter, but the narrowest land diameter of the barrel.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: kuduae]
      #305019 - 09/09/17 04:36 AM

its all on nitroexpress http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1


imho, made by Schilling or Haenel
between 1888 and 1898 the Suhl consortium headed by Haenel and Schilling was making M 88 carbines for the german military. other small gunmaker were making different parts but the guns were only completed by Haenel or Schilling.
when the M 98 was adopted the firms in Suhl dont get any orders anymore so starting to make M 88 hunting rifles. this was probably the first bolt action repeating hunting rifle sold on the german market. other small gunmaker also making such hunting rifles but the majority came from Schilling and Haenel and the actions for the small firms also.

8x60I make sense, slug the barrel and make a chamber cast
good price!!


"Mauser 1872" is complete and total nonsense
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=54762

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: lancaster]
      #305032 - 09/09/17 03:07 PM

Irrespective it is a nice purchase. I would love one for my wall.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: NitroX]
      #305043 - 09/09/17 09:14 PM

Nice rifle....and one that is also on my bucket list.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: sharps4590]
      #305088 - 10/09/17 02:34 PM

btw, you need clips like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gew-88-5-Shot-8m...-AAAOxyVaBS5VMb

this are new made clips but the original are better.
not a stripper clip its actually an en bloc clip.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: lancaster]
      #305409 - 16/09/17 01:43 PM

Now that I figured out how to edit pix, these should tell the story...

The color case was in superb condition and it fit so tightly into the stock I thought that there was another fastener that i missed. Thankfully, whoever owned it gave it a liberal coating of cosmoline or something like it.

The condition of the metal and the stock made me think this was a safe queen and possibly never out of the stock.

The bore was as washed out as I have ever seen. Still rifled but for the most part very limited for the first few inches. How someone managed to shoot it that much and keep it in the condition that it's in is a mystery to me.

The groove diameter at the muzzle was around .321.

And it was NOT an 8x60.

Dropped in the 8x57 field gauge and it fit.
Resized and trimmed a 30-06 case and sized it until a .013 feeler gauge fit between the shell holder and the base of the die. Have to take a better look at the locking lugs and lug recesses if I can.









I can put up some more complete pix later. Did already hit all the case with a coating of lacquer.

Tom

Edited by Tom_H (16/09/17 01:52 PM)

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: Tom_H]
      #305426 - 16/09/17 10:24 PM

figured the headspace thing out.

Took a spare 8mm barrel and dropped the gauges into it to measure the amount protruding from the breech.

go- .096
no-go-1.10
Field- 1.15
Case that fits - 1.30

.015 over field is big so it looks like I'll be making cases to fit.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: Tom_H]
      #305485 - 18/09/17 04:25 AM

hope for you it still shoot with this barrel
there are .321 bullets on the market, think for .32 Winchester or something like this ´. this is maybe an option for you. other would be to re-riffel the barrel for 8mm S bullets or for the 9x57.

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Re: Ok, so what did I buy here? [Re: lancaster]
      #305491 - 18/09/17 06:18 AM

It may cost more to re-bore this one compared to re-barrelling; but I think in this case you will save this old girl's overall appearance & get it restamped to what calibre would be best suited in doing so.
Daryl (amongst others) has loading data for the 9.3x57.
Will be interesting as to what you will do!
Just my 2c worth

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