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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #347268 - 28/11/20 12:14 PM

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I want to build a lightweight (hence the small ring) M98 20" barrel in 30'06.

...I know in reality its neither here nor there but I prefer the genuine control round feed of the M98 rather than the push feed, or those that say they are CRF but in fact are not eg Ruger, SAKO

.. I dont want a 308. I want a lightweigh M 98 20" barrel in 30;06
yes I know it will be loud

... Im told old to be carrying a a full length sporter in the bush all day



Too bad it's not 1939.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: vykkagur]
      #347269 - 28/11/20 02:49 PM

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And I can't believe I've just gotten to the bottom of this entire thread before I realized that it's over three years old. Sorry!



Thanks for adding to this thread, and no need to apologize for doing so. A post may get old, but most of the time they don’t become completely irrelevant or dead. As far as I’m concerned this thread won’t be complete until the OP posts picks of the rifles he was intending to build, and even then there would be plenty of room to comment.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #347274 - 29/11/20 02:30 AM

On a forum loaded with so much excellent content over a number of years, I find I have to be constantly mindful of this. As a fairly new member, I'm forever using the search page to dig up more information on subjects of interest. So many times, I turn up great threads on which I'm dying to comment, only to find they're a decade old and half the posters haven't been heard from in years. And on occasion, like now, the date slips by me.

Which brings me to something that I've been overdue in acknowledging: We all owe a terrific debt of gratitude to our intrepid host, whose hard work hereon has made this excellent forum available for our mutual enjoyment, literally, for years. Without John, it wouldn't happen. For every hour we spend browsing the specific boards that interest us as individuals, I'm sure he must spend five patrolling the forum as a whole, keeping everything on track and maintaining the by and large civil and friendly tone that marks this forum, in contrast to some others. From this, we all benefit by great conversation and the steady exchange of useful and fascinating information about our hobby. This makes it my hands-down favourite, at the top of my list of bookmarks.

Well done, that man!

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: vykkagur]
      #347276 - 29/11/20 03:04 AM

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On a forum loaded with so much excellent content over a number of years, I find I have to be constantly mindful of this. As a fairly new member, I'm forever using the search page to dig up more information on subjects of interest. So many times, I turn up great threads on which I'm dying to comment, only to find they're a decade old and half the posters haven't been heard from in years. And on occasion, like now, the date slips by me.





Thanks for the kind words.

And feel free to re-open any old threads. We keep them for that reason.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: vykkagur]
      #347303 - 29/11/20 06:49 PM

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Which brings me to something that I've been overdue in acknowledging: We all owe a terrific debt of gratitude to our intrepid host, whose hard work hereon has made this excellent forum available for our mutual enjoyment, literally, for years. Without John, it wouldn't happen. For every hour we spend browsing the specific boards that interest us as individuals, I'm sure he must spend five patrolling the forum as a whole, keeping everything on track and maintaining the by and large civil and friendly tone that marks this forum, in contrast to some others. From this, we all benefit by great conversation and the steady exchange of useful and fascinating information about our hobby. This makes it my hands-down favourite, at the top of my list of bookmarks.

Well done, that man!



Actually a great way members can show appreciation is to our number of great regular posters and thread starters is to PARTICIPATE and POST REPLIES on their threads. Many people enjoy them in silence, but replying shows APPRECIATION for the posts. We have a small number of regular great posters. I could name them, but probably forget to mention some, and we know who they all are. Just had a look at thread with about five posts without a single intervening reply. A thread with many pages over time. I enjoy always at looking at the posts. What a great effort by this and other members.

Participation, replies show thanks and appreciation for their efforts.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: NitroX]
      #347331 - 30/11/20 04:31 AM

Indeed, John.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #347350 - 30/11/20 04:15 PM

Very well put, John. A post without replies, withers on the vine. The discussion that follows is where the majority of the knowledge is imparted, and that's why we're here. Without discussions, the forum would soon die. Thanks to a group of prolific posters on here, I've learned a incredible amount in the last year, for which I'm hugely grateful.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #347415 - 01/12/20 10:32 AM

In the long run it will probably be just as expensive, with a lot less wait and angst, to buy a Rigby rifle outright. EDIT. Try QGE in Brisvegas.

Edited by tophet1 (01/12/20 10:42 AM)

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #391829 - 01/06/25 02:04 PM

.358 Norma Magnum

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Bidyanus1]
      #391842 - 03/06/25 02:33 AM

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.358 Norma Magnum



Rigby does the .350 RRgby now. I shot one the other day.

Back to the first post question. I'd try to buy a Parker Hale 1200 M98 rifle and "chop it up" as needed
A fraction of the price to buying a comple new M98 action.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: NitroX]
      #391848 - 03/06/25 11:04 AM

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.358 Norma Magnum



Rigby does the .350 RRgby now. I shot one the other day.

Back to the first post question. I'd try to buy a Parker Hale 1200 M98 rifle and "chop it up" as needed
A fraction of the price to buying a comple new M98 action.



This would be a good buy. The 350 Rigby can be loaded to equal or slightly better the 358 Norma Mag.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Rule303]
      #391873 - 06/06/25 04:09 PM

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.358 Norma Magnum



Rigby does the .350 Rigby now. I shot one the other day.

Back to the first post question. I'd try to buy a Parker Hale 1200 M98 rifle and "chop it up" as needed
A fraction of the price to buying a comple new M98 action.



This would be a good buy. The 350 Rigby can be loaded to equal or slightly better the 358 Norma Mag.



One thing I'd like to see is Rigby ditch the 225 gr .350 Rigby ammunition loading, and replace it with a 250 gr SP and FMJ.

I think one reason the .350 Rigby never took off was tHihe too light low SD 225 gr bullet. Compared to the .318 WR .330" 250 gr bullet.

Even possibly a 275 gr bullet might be suitable.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: NitroX]
      #391874 - 06/06/25 07:26 PM

When I had the BRNO.358 Norma Mag., I absolutely loved the 280gr. Hornady RN. It was accurate and at 2,700fps smacked pretty hard. I only show coyotes with them a bunch and the bullet just holed 'em end wise or sidewise, didn't matter. Minimal expansion, just as expected.
Hornady discontinued that bullet shortly after that & I found the 250 Speer Hot Core Spitzer thought it was not only a good game bullet, but a match accurate bullet as well.
In the 80's and .90's a P.G. co-worker buddy of mine liked it on moose from his .35 Whelen, started at 2,450fps. End to end from frontally. He said they'd just brace their front feet and refuse to take a step, then either pitch over dead or just collapse straight down. Incidentally they did the same with a 265gr. Hornady from his .444 Marlin, 2,240fps.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #391881 - 07/06/25 01:04 AM

The. 35 Whelan with 250 gr projectiles was reportedly a favourite among some samba deer hunters. Even though it was a wildcat.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: NitroX]
      #391890 - 07/06/25 08:13 AM

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.358 Norma Magnum



Rigby does the .350 Rigby now. I shot one the other day.

Back to the first post question. I'd try to buy a Parker Hale 1200 M98 rifle and "chop it up" as needed
A fraction of the price to buying a comple new M98 action.



This would be a good buy. The 350 Rigby can be loaded to equal or slightly better the 358 Norma Mag.



One thing I'd like to see is Rigby ditch the 225 gr .350 Rigby ammunition loading, and replace it with a 250 gr SP and FMJ.

I think one reason the .350 Rigby never took off was tHihe too light low SD 225 gr bullet. Compared to the .318 WR .330" 250 gr bullet.

Even possibly a 275 gr bullet might be suitable.



The 225 gr is alright for smaller lighter animals. However, like you John I would like to see Rigby load to full potential and with 250 gr and 275 gr bullets. They could even load Pondoro Taylors preference the 300 gr bullet.

I have been told that Rigby loaded the 350RM so its trajectory matched the 303's. I have no idea if this is correct or not. I thought they downloaded the 350RM so it was safe in the African Heat?????

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #393751 - 11/10/25 07:48 AM

A very good thread, I have no idea how I missed it 8 years ago! Did Bidyanus1 ever build his rifle?

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #393769 - 11/10/25 09:26 PM

If someone is interested in just how high production bolt action rifles were made back in the day of the 98 Mauser and the like, there is a book that details the requirements needed. It is not of the 98 mauser but rather the 1903 Springfield. Which many of you know was for most design considerations a copy of the mauser design. Back in the day the US government was looking for additional contractors to help the Springfield arsenal meet demand so they produced a rather detailed book discussing the manufacturing process, machinery, and materials that would be needed. It is a very interesting book and titled, "Manufacture of the Model 1903 Springfield Service Rifle". And if you thought you knew how a rifle action is made be ready to be surprised as for example the order of operations is quite different then you usually think of with our modern machines. And the amount of dedicated machines and fixtures are mind spinning. It is a fun book to study over.
My particular reason to read it was because I wanted to know how the cut the little lead in chamfers for the bolt lugs that cam the bolt forward as you turn the bolt closed. Fascinating little scraping machine did the trick. What is also fascinating is this is the age before High Speed cutting steel for tools. The tool sharpening departments must have been huge and manned 24/7. BTW the book also gives estimated resharpening needed schedules so who is ever considering back then quoting would know.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: LRF]
      #393778 - 12/10/25 03:14 AM

IIRC, Barnes used to make a copper and lead (original style) 300gr. RN in .358".

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #393787 - 12/10/25 09:03 AM

"The 225 gr is alright for smaller lighter animals. However, like you John I would like to see Rigby load to full potential and with 250 gr and 275 gr bullets. They could even load Pondoro Taylors preference the 300 gr bullet."

Further to my above statement. On other forums I see a growing number of people opting for and recommending light for calibre bullets. So, in the 358 they are looking for 180 grain and 200grain bullets.

These have a place. I have used 200 grain Hornady Spire points in my 35 Sambar MV 3000fps and a mono metal 185 grain MV 3190 fps. I only used these on pigs and would use on Camel (not hard to kill and soft) I would not use them on bigger tough animals. However, on Sambar, Russa and bigger I use 225 grain Woodleigh PP's or 250 grain Woodleigh's PP/RN.

The thing to remember is modern bullets are often better constructed than those in the past, so a lighter bullet at faster speed will still penetrate. To me this seems ok logic but what happens when that lighter bullet hits solid bone???

I still think heavier bullets are better for big and tough built animals. One reason being that they all expand about the same and the lighter bullet will pull up quicker and any petals that break off means the bullet loses a greater percentage of its mass. Yes, I have shot pigs with .22 rimfire and .223 but I do not consider them a cartridge for pigs.

The above are just my thoughts. Open to others' ideas on the subject.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Rule303]
      #393789 - 12/10/25 12:06 PM

My buddy Keith, used the Barnes 120gr. X bullet on moose, from his P-14 in 6.5x68. His muzzle velocity was around 3,350fps. He once shot a cow moose just below the "white spot" at 300yards lasered distance. The bullet stopped under the skin of the brisket. She braced her feet, then collapsed.
That my friends, is penetration with a light-for-caliber bullet. The bullet lost all 4 petals, yet still went end to end on that moose.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #393792 - 12/10/25 02:14 PM

I don't believe moose are that hard to kill. 6.5s and 7 mm s have been standards for a long time.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: NitroX]
      #393811 - 13/10/25 06:17 AM

Moose are babies, IF you don't chase them. Shoot, then sit down. If the moose runs after the shot and isn't chased, it will lay down, usually 50 to 75yards away and feel sorry for itself & die.
So - give it 15 minutes, then take up the trail.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: DarylS]
      #393827 - 13/10/25 02:03 PM

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My buddy Keith, used the Barnes 120gr. X bullet on moose, from his P-14 in 6.5x68. His muzzle velocity was around 3,350fps. He once shot a cow moose just below the "white spot" at 300yards lasered distance. The bullet stopped under the skin of the brisket. She braced her feet, then collapsed.
That my friends, is penetration with a light-for-caliber bullet. The bullet lost all 4 petals, yet still went end to end on that moose.



True, once all the petals are gone they will penetrate further due to the lack of resistance. I shot a Giraffe at 30 mts with a 358 Rum 225 grain ACP-monometal- the petals all came off just under the skin and the shank was stopped on the off side shoulder blade. MV was 3200fpe so contact not much less. Same shot and bullet from 35Sambar on camel about 100mts out, same thing only no bone contact. Shank came to rest about 4" in from the off side. MV about 2850fps.

In both case the animal died after covering (30mts Camel, 100mts Giraffe). Both would have died quicker had the petals remained intact. In the case of the Giraffe a 250 or better yet a 275 grain bullet would have penetrated further. Is it needed, in these cases, No. For an angling shot, most likely yes or if not a good heart shot then yes for a better blood track to follow.

Daryl that is fantastic penetration on the Moose, I also thought they would be a tougher animal to kill.

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Re: 2 dumb questions re new Mauser 98 actions [Re: Rule303]
      #393843 - 14/10/25 06:49 AM

In order for the close range shut-down, that will happen with both lungs, or HEAVY bone breakage, as in a hip-joint. That I have witnessed.

Not a Mauser, but! Yes, I have one and moulds from 350gr. to 530gr. but no hunting for me, this fall.

An Umarex Hammer (.50cal.) has been used to hunt and take down an eland, with one shot resulting in the animal going down. The hunt occurred at Matswani Safaris in South Africa, where the hunter successfully used a .50 caliber, 350-grain bullet from the air rifle to take the large animal. This event is notable as it may be the first time an eland has been hunted with an airgun.
https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...ld=cid:69c71b21,vid:eHyZ9wgBuaw,st:0

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