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DarylS
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Joseph Lang
#298941 - 13/04/17 02:35 AM

My Bro just scored an English Sporting Rifle in 14 bore, for himself. Made by Joseph Lang circa 1848, in almost immaculate condition.
Rifle should be on it's way here now, can hardly wait to fondle and shoot her.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#298955 - 13/04/17 06:06 AM

Daryl, your brother is one lucky man - wonderful piece of kit isn't it; & in absolute pristine condition for its age.
That massive Damascus barrel certain is a standout isn't it!
Bet she'll shoot good too, looks hardly shot?

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: 93x64mm]
#298957 - 13/04/17 06:58 AM

That is indeed a nice find. Very lucky to find such a pristine specimen.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Wayne59]
#298960 - 13/04/17 07:31 AM

The condition is incredible. Nice workmanship. Sweet piece of kit.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Claydog]
#298964 - 13/04/17 08:57 AM

You have all said it but I must too!

That is a VERY nice rifle in good condition

Excellent engraving and note the nice twist steel in the barrel

As you are both muzzle loading aficionados its a win win

Looking forward to the range reports - 14 bore is a useful calibre

Tony

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DarylS
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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: TH44]
#298967 - 13/04/17 09:36 AM

Absolutely it is indeed wonderful - few marks and pristine- actually no worse than mine and my rifle was built in 86. I am a bit rough on stuff, according to Taylor.

It will indeed be interesting to measure the rate of twist.

Many rifles of that period had really fast rates of twist - up to a turn in 36" even and not suitable at all for heavy loads with round balls at all.

They would shoot weak loads, reasonably well, though Forsyth called them wounding loads - as he talked about 1 1/2 to 2 dram loads.

I am hoping it will shoot at least 3 drams (82gr.), to make it a decent deer rifle - and probably handle a moose out to 100yards or so, but I would prefer a bit more sneeze to it.

I expect they (Taylor and 'is wife) will drive down to pick it up in Kelowna, B.C., rather than trust the mail service with it.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#298974 - 13/04/17 11:40 AM

Sounds like the new gun is going to like conicals.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Wayne59]
#298977 - 13/04/17 01:15 PM

So, what did your brother do?
Walk into Lang's in 1850?
You guys have a time machine or something?

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Huvius]
#299003 - 14/04/17 02:42 AM

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So, what did your brother do?
Walk into Lang's in 1850?
You guys have a time machine or something?

That is just a rumor with no concrete proof nor support data.

It's all conspiracy theory hogwash - nothing to see here - move along.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Wayne59]
#299004 - 14/04/17 02:55 AM

Quote:

Sounds like the new gun is going to like conicals.

The balls run 4, down to 180 to the pound.

The .682", along with 2 slug moulds, the one I made and the factory 730gr. Lyman Minnie for the .69 rifled muskets are 4th from the left.

I actually doubt this rifle will see either conical.

The ball and flattened one on the far left, is a 4 bore pure lead ball - 1/4 pound + one recovered from the dirt and rock berm at 325yards from the firing line. It was shot from a 4 bore underhammer rifle Taylor built - 35 years ago, for a lad. Hmmmmmm, wonder if it is still around.

As Forsyth noted, there is no reason to unnecessarily 'shake' the stock. Afterall, it is over or at 160 years old.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#299784 - 28/04/17 09:23 PM

Jaw dropping exquisite!!!

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: sharps4590]
#299785 - 28/04/17 10:16 PM

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Jaw dropping exquisite!!!

+1
Beautiful rifle..

Thanks you for posting

Ripp

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Ripp]
#300912 - 29/05/17 03:11 AM

I'm a jealous man. That is one lovely Lang. I hope Taylor has some great times hunting it. Just my kind of gun.
Steve

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: bouldersmith]
#300915 - 29/05/17 03:32 AM

Lol - got 2 threads running on this 'subject piece'.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post300875

More photos of the engraving and of course, my old decapitated obese body holding her.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#302561 - 30/06/17 04:35 PM

At the Range- if this works. Phtobucket has screwed with my pictures.

These, from my computer to a site uploading service, then transferred here.

Taylor's post about the day.

"Daryl and I went to our gun club this morning to fire the Joseph Lang rifle (posted in Antique Forum) and have some fun. Daryl brought his Taylor Made .69 cal rifle...he's not the kind who can just watch. With my Lang rifle I chose to start with three drams of GOEX 2Fg (82 gr.) and the .650" ball cast in my new Jeff Tanner mould. At 40 yds, where the first target stand happened to be this morning, my rifle produced a ragged one hole group. I found I had to tap the rear sight just a tad left to centre the group, and it shot some three and a half inches high using the 100 yd. sight at this close range.
At 100 m. (109 yds) and with the same sight picture and sight, the rifle shot about four inches low, so I held, as best I could, a little of the front blade and bead above the bottom of the notch and fired a five shot group. I had increased the charge to 85 gr. just so it'd be easier to reset later. I must say, I am not disappointed with the rifle's accuracy, with this first outing. I found my patches were a little thin and had cut marks from the lands, so I had switched to some of Daryl's patches, lubed with a blue wet stuff.
Meanwhile, Daryl shot his five shot group as well. The results are posted below...comments are welcome, as if I could prevent it!

5 round 100 meter bench group facsimiles

I ended up buying lunch!

Taylor"

I pulled one, dammit. Oh well. Also, in his writing n the targets, he forgot to mention who shot the tight group & got my ball weight wrong 460gr.WW. The .682's weigh 482gr.

Yes - his Lang did fine for first time out. Very well indeed.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#302565 - 30/06/17 09:58 PM

Well done!! Lovely rifle!!

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: sharps4590]
#302568 - 01/07/17 12:07 AM

Nice hunting rifle - 8.14 pounds. With it's 48" twist, it will likely work best with a lighter load than my .14 bore - and be uncomfortable with heavier loads than about 100gr.

With the 408gr. ball, 100gr. will do what Taylor needs of it.

He smacked the steel place at the back, just in front of the 200 meter berm a couple times - about a 225 yard shot, due to it being behind the 200meter target stand and the angle we were shooting from the 100 meter range.

In the rear picture of Taylor shooting, if you look to the left, you can see the green-covered 200 meter berm, on the left of and out behind the 100 meter berm where we were shooting. The orange steel plate in not visible in the picture, though. It is 16" square & of AR500.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: DarylS]
#302858 - 07/07/17 08:53 PM

Good shooting, guys!

That Lang is a peach for sure.

Curl

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: CptCurl]
#302930 - 10/07/17 11:34 AM

I have a Joseph Lang SxS rifle in about a 10 bore. The rifling was re-cut and re-regulated years ago by an uncle. It shoots very well and I took a deer with it two years ago. I believe the bores are 1-110 twist or so.

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Re: Joseph Lang [Re: Msalm]
#302934 - 10/07/17 01:57 PM

Cool! Forsyth-style rifling, then, if very narrow lands, wide grooves & shallow rifling.

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