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bonanza
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Back-up bolt gun
      #29532 - 15/04/05 03:53 AM

Gang,

I love my doubles, but have been thinking about a custom Left hand bold gun based on the new Montana action. This gun would be basic - almost to the point of utilitarian: matt finish, composite stock, NEGC sights. You get the point.I could build it for about $1200.

But the nagging question is WHAT CALIBER!? I'm really facing a .404 Jeffery right now. Maybe a .425 WR. Any thoughts if it were your gun?

Blair



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500Nitro
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: bonanza]
      #29534 - 15/04/05 06:20 AM


404 Jeffrey - as good as any with plenty of Nostalgia.

One of the 416 if you like 416's.

Also depends what you mean by "back up" and for what ?

In case your double goes down or to back up for DG ?

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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: bonanza]
      #29535 - 15/04/05 06:20 AM


404 Jeffrey - as good as any with plenty of Nostalgia.

One of the 416 if you like 416's.

Also depends what you mean by "back up" and for what ?

In case your double goes down or to back up for DG ?

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bonanza
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: 500Nitro]
      #29536 - 15/04/05 06:36 AM

"When" I go on safari or hunting in general I want to take two guns. If in africa of Australia on DG then my 470 DR and a bolt gun that is of legal caliber. Or if in NA my .375 DR and a bolt gun that I can knock about, drag in the mud, "loose " if needed. But, in either case - if I feel a bolt gun is more suitable at the moment.

The .404 has my heart right now. The .416s just are not keeping up all night dreaming

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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: bonanza]
      #29537 - 15/04/05 07:19 AM

Bonanza,
I'd be real interested in knowing what the results are. I'd be interested in having a lefty big bore knock around gun. Keep us posted. In my opinion I'd go for a 416 Rigby.

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: bonanza]
      #29548 - 15/04/05 01:03 PM

Why dont you talk to Grump about the new 435 PH.
Probably worth a second look.
He has posted on this site (big bores)
Al

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Boomer
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: bonanza]
      #29616 - 17/04/05 08:01 AM


Until recently I wrestled with the idea of building a .460 G&A for our next year's trip to Tanzania. This project is more attractive now that .375 Ultra brass is easy to get and affordable. I personally think Remington missed the boat by not bringing out their .416 on this case. I owned a .416 Rigby which I lost in a house fire (sad story) and as much as I loved that rifle, each time I pulled the trigger was an economic dilema. The Ultra case would give low pressures in the heat and still best the .458 by 150 fps. I like short barrels on my "serious" guns and I think you could still get 2200 fps with 550 gr. Woodleighs out of a 20 inch barrel.
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NE450No2
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: Boomer]
      #29627 - 18/04/05 12:21 AM

Bonanza
Take a look at the Blaser R 93 in 416RM.
That way your bolt rifle will take down like your doubles. You could get an extra bbl in 375 so while in NA just take 2 375's. Makes only one kind of ammo necessary.

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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: NE450No2]
      #29763 - 20/04/05 01:46 AM

You are right on the money with the 404. My brother has a FN 404 and a restocked ruger 416 rigby. Both stocked by the same stock maker. The 416 wieghs 1/3 lbs heavier but seems to kick 50% as hard.

The 404 has a little less velocity, but more shootability. Perticularly if you wanted a scope in a QR set up. A plus for leapord and other dusk/dawn hunting.

The other plus is you would just need(!) to get a 450/400J 3" double so you would be able to use the same components and only have to remember one set of Kentucky windage figures.

Remember the only reason to get a bolt is to complement a good double. So only buy bolts that scream for the accisition of a new double.


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500Nitro
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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: Rell]
      #29767 - 20/04/05 03:17 AM


rell

How does having a 450/400J 3" double and a 404 allow you to use the same components ?

Different case
Different bullet
Maybe Different Powder
Same primer if needed.


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Re: Back-up bolt gun [Re: 500Nitro]
      #29823 - 21/04/05 04:57 AM

You're totaly right .411 to .423, I forgot that until you brought it up. But the rest of my argument still stands.

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