Ripp
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Man THAT is a fine looking rifle..true treasure there...
Thanks for posting
Ripp
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93x64mm
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Fantastic piece of history there Cordite!
Might show its age & experience.....but I reckon she'd certainly do her job just as good as when first made!
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eagle27
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Kynoch ceased making munitions in 1972. Up to 1963 they were known as Imperial Chemical Industries and from 1963 on they were known as Imperial Metal Industries. Because Kynoch repeated their dating code sequences from 1963 to 1972 the designations IMI and ICI on packets and boxes helps to date Kynoch munitions.
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SharpsNitro
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Several years ago I received a custom rifle I comissiomed by an ACG member, Glenn Morovtiz, It was a 404 Jefferey built off of a pre-war Wincester Model 70 action. The stock wa sbuold around the classic old English stocks with the trim forend. It's been an amazing rifle, one of the best I've owned. I doubt that it will ever get over to Africa though.
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casper50
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I use mine about every other year or so. Took this 64" wide bull a few years ago.
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ovny
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The 404 Jeffery seems to me a precious cartridge. It is the essence of Africa. Eye is an appreciation mine.
Ovny.
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458Win
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My original Jeffrey 404 weighs 8 1/2 pounds with a steel butt plate and the recoil with original Kynoch loads is stiff but not at all unpleasant.
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MagnumHunter
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I have a 416 Rigby that I have used quite a bit so I don't NEED a 404, but is still want one. When I was in college, I missed an opportunity to buy a R.B. Rodda for $850. Of course I didn't have the money then, but I still think about it.
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buckstix
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You can't have too many 404s
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Ripp
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Another article by the same author who wrote this original piece..
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/...MyoToTLt60EvKrM
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rigbymauser
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One rifle caliber that will be adequate from rabbit to elephant. The .404Jeffery can kill it all for sure but for rabbits...naaa. I still say .333Jeffery using solids for rabbits and elephants and soft for hooved game.
If we were to play one gun for all including fowl a capegun with 12bore paradox barrel and a .577express in the other barrel.
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DarylS
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If we were to play one gun for all including fowl a capegun with 12bore paradox barrel and a .577express in the other barrel.
I would agree with that.
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NitroX
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One rifle caliber that will be adequate from rabbit to elephant. The .404Jeffery can kill it all for sure but for rabbits...naaa. I still say .333Jeffery using solids for rabbits and elephants and soft for hooved game.
If we were to play one gun for all including fowl a capegun with 12bore paradox barrel and a .577express in the other barrel.
Close to perfect for you.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6793
W.W. Greener shotgun / rifle combo Cape Gun. WW Greener no. 70571 combo 12 bore shotgun by .577 rifle.
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NitroX
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Phillip has reshared it, so I will too.
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bwanabobftw
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That’s a gorgeous.404 !!!!!!! I am a huge fan of the .404 but I must confess I really prefer the .375 for an “All Rounder”. And, that’s not to take anything away from the .404.
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lancaster
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such things like "only one gun is needed" must be banned on nitro express because it means you don't need another one anymore.
this must be wrong, it simply can not be!
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93x64mm
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such things like "only one gun is needed" must be banned on nitro express because it means you don't need another one anymore.
this must be wrong, it simply can not be!
Well Buckstix for one will agree on that statement - lovely collection indeed!
More of a case for the right tool for the job.....little nut, little spanner, all the way up in size!
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szihn
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I like my 404, but it gets little use. I have one rifle that I think of as a "one-size-fits-all" and that's my 375H&H but I can confess that a very close runner-up is my 9.3X62.
The 404 does all I ever asked of it, but I never asked it to make kills at 200 to 450 yards. I am sure it would, but the 375 does too, and do so with less drop and less wind drift as well as less recoil.
The truth is that for every time I have been close enough to something big and felt I wanted a "heavier club" to strike it with I have killed about 200 animals that were at 50 yards to 150 yards and in all my years of using the 375H&H I can recall not 1 time I ever truly needed to shoot an animal 2 times. I have shot a few 2 times, but for insurance shots, not ever because I really needed to. I did the same with my 404 back in the 70s.
So as I have aged I found little use for my three 416s my four 458s and my 460. Because of that fact I sold them all. I kept a 404 for the reason of the wonderful memories associated with that cartridge (I used one like it for nearly a year back in the 70s) However my 375H&H is well into it's 2nd barrel. I shot that rifle so much I eroded the rifling out of the throat and needed a new barrel after about 20 years of constant us.
So I AM a true fan of the 404, but I don't think of it as mush as a rifle for every hunt and use.
But I would take my 375 for about anything I was going to hunt without any big reservations. From Rock Chucks and coyotes to buffalo, the 375 has worked for me and I never found it to lack substantially for any use I ever asked it to do. The closest thing I have found to it so far is the 9.3X62 but I have only been using my my 9.3s now for about 9 years so I don't have near the degree of experience with it I do with the 375 (46 years)
Edited by szihn (24/10/22 01:59 AM)
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Ripp
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such things like "only one gun is needed" must be banned on nitro express because it means you don't need another one anymore.
this must be wrong, it simply can not be!
Agree fully.. foolish statement.. will never let me wife see this article.. 
Funny thing...I was driving back from eastern MT late yesterday.. there was a youth hunt that opens 2 days prior to everyone else being able to.. SO, we hiked around the hills for 3 days.. Very proud of him as he followed me everywhere on day 2 for a bit over 7 miles..all the while packing his Tikka .243 with a Leupold and bi-pod on it..
Anyway, on the way home he was asking me tons of questions on diff calibers, rifles, etc.. Finally he asks, "If you had to chose one rifle and caliber Dad, what would it be??".. I told him "I've been looking for that most of my life. And hope I never find it".. 
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bwanabobftw
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such things like "only one gun is needed" must be banned on nitro express because it means you don't need another one anymore.
this must be wrong, it simply can not be!
Agree fully.. foolish statement.. will never let me wife see this article..
Funny thing...I was driving back from eastern MT late yesterday.. there was a youth hunt that opens 2 days prior to everyone else being able to.. SO, we hiked around the hills for 3 days.. Very proud of him as he followed me everywhere on day 2 for a bit over 7 miles..all the while packing his Tikka .243 with a Leupold and bi-pod on it..
Anyway, on the way home he was asking me tons of questions on diff calibers, rifles, etc.. Finally he asks, "If you had to chose one rifle and caliber Dad, what would it be??".. I told him "I've been looking for that most of my life. And hope I never find it"..
Well said Ripp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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NitroX
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The one gun concept is based on legal restrictions, means or needed uses.
A person without wealth can't afford endless frivolous new purchases.
A person who only hunts deer and boar can get by with one medium calibre rifle.
A person only hunting rabbits hares and birds can get by with a .22 RF
A man hunting in Africa can cope with just a .375.
A .375 will damage meat more than a medium calibre so that is a consideration.
I exempt the need for a shotgun from a one rifle hunter concept.
But I do admire persons who limit themselves to a rifle or a number of rifles and know them like the back of their hand.
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such things like "only one gun is needed" must be banned on nitro express because it means you don't need another one anymore.
this must be wrong, it simply can not be!
Agree fully.. foolish statement.. will never let me wife see this article..
Funny thing...I was driving back from eastern MT late yesterday.. there was a youth hunt that opens 2 days prior to everyone else being able to.. SO, we hiked around the hills for 3 days.. Very proud of him as he followed me everywhere on day 2 for a bit over 7 miles..all the while packing his Tikka .243 with a Leupold and bi-pod on it..
Anyway, on the way home he was asking me tons of questions on diff calibers, rifles, etc.. Finally he asks, "If you had to chose one rifle and caliber Dad, what would it be??".. I told him "I've been looking for that most of my life. And hope I never find it"..
Well said Ripp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen to that!
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wkudu
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Phil Massaro's Heym 404 is one of the top 5 most beautiful and perfect rifles that I have ever seen.
I also want a M70 404, I have a receiver that would be perfect. How lucky to have an ackley made 404! I might prefer an ackley 250 or .30 no2 but still PO Ackley is a hero to American shooters, while Weatherby is that to marketers and branding
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Huvius
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The one gun concept is based on legal restrictions, means or needed uses.
That is the problem with such a question…
So, for one to have the perfect “One for all” rifle, it MUST be .375 or larger so as to be legal for dangerous game.
In that light, I would take the 404 over the 375 simply because it can be loaded well over the 375 at the upper end and still loaded way down with cast bullets to be useful as a deer rifle.
I guess I can endorse the notion that the 404 could fit the bill…
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