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Fallschirmjaeger
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Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?)
      #287650 - 10/09/16 10:11 PM

There is a seller on Gunbroker.com who has put up a number of Oberndorf Mausers for sale. As of right now they have nine for sale. Although some of the rifles look somewhat correct or have correct parts for an Oberndorf sporting gun, there are other things that throw up flags and scare me off. Perhaps I'm just naive or just do not possess sufficient knowledge about the Oberndorf sporters but something doesn't smell right about these to me. So I will not be bidding (though the prices are reasonable), and figured I would share them here.

I guess the biggest flag I see is "Markings have been freshened". What is to stop a person with the proper stamping tools from just taking a military Mauser, removing the military marks and stamping them with the Oberndorf marks?

Again, perhaps I am just ignorant on the Subject and these are the deal of a lifetime. I don't know...

Here are a links for a few of the auctions to include a DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE for $1100 USD!

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391691

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391696

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391700

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391710

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Fallschirmjaeger]
      #287651 - 11/09/16 01:46 AM

The first two look like "put together" guns to me, with very poor wood to metal fit, non-original stocks and recut markings.

The last two, particularly the 4th one, look pretty original.

Edited by mckinney (11/09/16 01:54 AM)

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: mckinney]
      #287655 - 11/09/16 03:43 AM

Looking at the prices he's asking for other guns, it doesn't seem to me he offers any deals of a lifetime.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: mckinney]
      #287658 - 11/09/16 04:58 AM

Quote:

The first two look like "put together" guns to me, with very poor wood to metal fit, non-original stocks and recut markings.

The last two, particularly the 4th one, look pretty original.



The fourth one is quite nice, my fear is that given the shady appearance of the other guns in question, could you trust you were buying what you thought you were buying. Perhaps I've never heard of 'refreshing markings', but it just makes me question the seller. Also, that seems like a lot of Obies in one place, perhaps he's selling someone's collection?

Also, I did not look at the sellers k98s, but I know many sellers have been doctoring those up in the last few years to jack up the prices on more common k98s and give the appearance of a more desirous, rare and valuable version.

Edited by Fallschirmjaeger (11/09/16 05:00 AM)

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Fallschirmjaeger]
      #287665 - 11/09/16 06:45 AM

The first two look obviously (badly) restocked. One may have a previously stepped barrel which has been turned off??

Not an expert.

We had a member here (no longer) and still is a member of a some forums who was once flogging off an "original square bridge" which another member purchased and promptly returned for a refund. I believe this happened several times with the sale of the same "original" square bridge Mauser. The square bridges were 'after market' creations or so I was told.

I wonder about the square bridges of at least one of those rifles shown???

At least the photos show how bad the fitting of metal to wood is.

If trust is missing on one or two items, let the buyer beware on the others IMO.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: NitroX]
      #287667 - 11/09/16 06:52 AM

agreed!

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Fallschirmjaeger]
      #287701 - 11/09/16 02:24 PM

what ever happen this guns will be on the market for along time, safe the pics

agree, No. 1 and No. 2 are fakes, No. 3 seems to be good but not in the best shape anymore, No. 4 is good but "The Mauser Sporter bolt has been re-numbered to match."

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391691























http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391696



























http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391700































http://www.gunbroker.com/item/583391710



































imho early 1930s Mauser 98K like the rifles for the "Deutsche Reichspost" were butchered to make this square bridge actions

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: NitroX]
      #287709 - 11/09/16 10:37 PM

The stock on No.2 looks like one from Great American Gunstock Co. At least they had a pattern very similar to that one.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #287727 - 12/09/16 10:39 AM

The second one looks like an unfinished project. I like that peace of wood, but there starting bid is to high and they don't state what cartridge it is chambered for.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Wayne59]
      #287764 - 13/09/16 06:30 AM

To be fair to the sellers, they do mention most of the deviations in the descriptions. They don't appear to be trying to deceive buyers, which is a hard thing to do with original Mausers anyway. Buyers are usually pretty knowledgeable, or they wouldn't be shopping original Oberndorf sporters in the first place.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: mckinney]
      #287779 - 13/09/16 09:49 AM

Not an expert, and I have never bought anything from Ohio Ordnance. That said, they have been around for a while, and are a full auto dealer with a good name. Perhaps, you could just call, and discuss your concerns with them? If their response is satisfactory, then you might decide whether you want to bid, or not.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #287824 - 14/09/16 05:04 AM

I'm not saying that Ohio Ordnance did the work themselves and are trying to pass forgeries. For all I know, they may have purchased the lot from someone else and are only presenting the information in the auctions that they received from the prior owner. My concerns are merely with how the rifles themselves are represented. I have no dog in this fight but have my own doubts. As such, I have no interest in bidding on these items. I felt these rifles should be presented here in this forum, where those with much more knowledge could critique and offer their opinions on them. Who knows, this could potentially help someone from making an expensive mistake or perhaps a solid buy.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: Fallschirmjaeger]
      #287874 - 15/09/16 11:24 AM

I would say the first two are fakes. For the first gun,the script for the caliber is off. The checkering pattern is wrong. The Waffenfabrik Mauser is wrong and it has a military type bottom metal. On the second gun the ser. no. on barrel is different from the one on the receiver.
Buyer beware. That's why these guns sell on line.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: lancaster]
      #289216 - 19/10/16 08:25 AM

Quote:

what ever happen this guns will be on the market for along time, safe the pics

agree, No. 1 and No. 2 are fakes , No. 3 seems to be good but not in the best shape anymore, No. 4 is good but "The Mauser Sporter bolt has been re-numbered to match."

>>>SNIP PICS<<<

imho early 1930s Mauser 98K like the rifles for the "Deutsche Reichspost" were butchered to make this square bridge actions



To the part in blue, that seems like a rather harsh condemnation when the listing says:

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Original Mauser Sporter converted to Double Square Bridge type action. The rifle has been completely refinished. The barrel is an original Mauser Sporter barrel with English proof-marks, and a very good bore. The bolt is an original match to the receiver. the rifle has been restocked with a contemporary stock.



Seller accurately describes a rifle that was assembled from pieces and the provides good pictures.

I don't see any attempt to pass off a 'fake'.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: UtahShotgunner]
      #289563 - 29/10/16 07:31 AM

I was the successful bidder on several of these "jewels". Once they arrive and I have had a chance to go over them, I will offer my opinion as to the authenticity of the descriptions.

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Re: Iffy Oberndorfs (fake?) [Re: xausa]
      #290935 - 27/11/16 07:10 PM

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I was the successful bidder on several of these "jewels". Once they arrive and I have had a chance to go over them, I will offer my opinion as to the authenticity of the descriptions.



Xausa,

What are your impressions?

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