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Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison
      #286637 - 20/08/16 03:55 PM

Had a chance to look and try out the Swarovski yesterday..amazing scope...

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Ripp]
      #286782 - 23/08/16 05:18 AM


Both scopes are perfect. In fact so perfect my eyes canīt keep up with the small improvements they create every year the launch a new serie. My wallet can still keep up, but my need to spend €2500-3000 on a scope to shoot a buck at 100-200 yards is dropping.
BTW I was shooting ironsights with my Mauser 66 here the other day. I can still keep 3 shots within a silverdollar at 150yards(I am almost 50).

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: rigbymauser]
      #286783 - 23/08/16 06:59 AM

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Both scopes are perfect. In fact so perfect my eyes canīt keep up with the small improvements they create every year the launch a new serie. My wallet can still keep up, but my need to spend €2500-3000 on a scope to shoot a buck at 100-200 yards is dropping.
BTW I was shooting ironsights with my Mauser 66 here the other day. I can still keep 3 shots within a silverdollar at 150yards(I am almost 50).



I hear you in the NEED to spend $3000 for a new scope..was actually out looking around a bit this weekend ..man optics have gotten expensive..

Sounds to me with that shooting, you might not need a scope at all..

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Ripp]
      #286792 - 23/08/16 08:27 AM

I just got two new Swaros a 1.7-13x42 iX8 and a 1-8x24 iX8. Awesome scopes and the range is ideal for almost everything.

That being said I hunted for 11days in the Eastern Cape this last July with a AHR express rifle in 300 Weatherby, it was topped with a 2-5x15x44 iX6. I took Bushbuck Rams from 18m all the way out to 435m. I can't actually tell the difference between the two. I thought the iX6 was perfect, the iX8 is indistinguishable to my eyes.

I really like the 1-8x24, to me that is the perfect scope for a 375HH in buff country. I also have a Schmidt and Bender 1-8x24i and I can honestly say I like the Swaro better. It's not really the glass but the magnification controls and illuminations controls are superior from on ergonomic point of view in my opinion.

Can't go,wrong with the Ziess, Schmidt or Swaro as long as you do the illuminated reticles. I'm 100% sold on illuminated reticles. Helps to call your own shots, very fast, focuses the eye better and picks up on dark animals much better.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Rell]
      #286819 - 23/08/16 10:43 PM

Agree with the red dot idea---definitely draws the eye quickly..like that a bunch..as you, I also put one on my 375H&H ..

Also as you stated I really can not see a difference between the Z6 and Z8 as to clarity..

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Ripp]
      #286822 - 23/08/16 11:34 PM

Both Zeiss and Swarovski glass in their high end lines are spectacular. Life doesn't get any better when the choice boils down to deciding between great and great!!! The high zoom factor technology, first 6 and now 8!!!, is remarkable when one ponders the notion that this comes with a wide field of view and crystal clear glass. Long ago I came to despise anything that offered less than 75 foot FOV at 100 yards, and have in more recent years reset my personal minimum expectation to over 110 feet at 100 yards FOV who set to the low power zero magnification setting.

I do absolutely love the Z6 and Z6i and they are my current choices for adorment of the tops of my bolt action hunting rifles. Nobody in Canada seems to stock the Zeiss 1x3 or other such zero magnification Zeiss kit, so I've only been meaningfully exposed to the 1.5x6 Victory / Diavari models which are also marvellous indeed, ignoring the crappy (in my opinion) FOV.

I have no use for super high magnification and heavy glass on any of my hunting rifles, but on the target range it is a different story. My pocketbook sensibilities have limited me to using Leupold glass for high magnification target range applications. Pity, because Zeiss and Swarovski are at least to my eye so very much better from an optical quality perspective.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Postman]
      #286871 - 24/08/16 03:40 PM

I'm glad they now make a Z8.

That way the second hand Z6's that people had to have with drop in price substantially when the same people have to have the Z8's.

I have found the ancient old non illuminated 1 1/2-6's actually affordable recently for the first time. )
Must have had anyway as found I had purchased one, forgot from whom (!) or when (!). Think it was from a forum member. But found it in the cupboard. I think it was supposed to go on my .375 H&H, and I was supposed to get some Warne or Kimber 30mm rings for it.

I do think a Z8 1-8x illuminated scope would be nice though. A perfect scope in my opinion starts at close to true 1x, and 8x is a pretty big magnification IMO for 99% of hunting.

The MAJOR issue I see with these scopes is their exessive size and weight.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: NitroX]
      #286879 - 24/08/16 04:35 PM

Have a Zeiss Victory ,after 50 shots out of a Lott it was History ,expected better from a scope costing that much hmmmm

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: 500Boswell]
      #286885 - 24/08/16 08:52 PM

I'd like to compare the z8 with the z6. I run a z6i on my 375/300 and rate it as perfect for that cal. I can't see the z8s being realistically better but I'm willing to try. 👍

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: gwh]
      #286888 - 24/08/16 10:06 PM

As Nitrox has pointed out, weight is a factor. Some like it heavy, so to each their own, but I find too much weight up top and the scope can make the rifle very top heavy and unwieldy.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: NitroX]
      #286903 - 25/08/16 02:17 AM

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I'm glad they now make a Z8.

That way the second hand Z6's that people had to have with drop in price substantially when the same people have to have the Z8's.

I have found the ancient old non illuminated 1 1/2-6's actually affordable recently for the first time. )
Must have had anyway as found I had purchased one, forgot from whom (!) or when (!). Think it was from a forum member. But found it in the cupboard. I think it was supposed to go on my .375 H&H, and I was supposed to get some Warne or Kimber 30mm rings for it.

I do think a Z8 1-8x illuminated scope would be nice though. A perfect scope in my opinion starts at close to true 1x, and 8x is a pretty big magnification IMO for 99% of hunting.

The MAJOR issue I see with these scopes is their exessive size and weight.



One can get the models that are reasonably light in weight..the Z6 2.5-15x44-p-l is around 19 ounces..I use the Z5 3.5-18 x44 Sheep Hunter model on my mtn rifles --it is actually 15.9 oz..which is as light or lighter than most..up to this point they have held up very well to that type of hunting..slips, horses, etc...Agree there are some models out there that are heavier but for a hunting rifle I refuse to use them..dont mind it on a target rifle at the range, but will not lug that extra weight around the mtn side ..no need..

The Zeiss Victory models are heavier and one of the main reasons I have not used them on my hunting rigs..I have used the Conquest models which are lighter but the optic clarity is no where near the quality of the Z5 Swaro..frankly, to my eyes, the Leupolds in VX-3 or VX-6 are better optically than the Zeiss Conquest models..the one issue Zeiss has on its side is their rapid Z system..works remarkably well in all 3 of the rifles I have them on...240 Weatherby, 26 Nosler, and 280AI. Just wish the clarity was a bit better..and YES, these are their HD versions...

I asked Swarovski why they didnt have a similar system and was told Zeiss or someone has a patent on that and as such, its cost prohibitive to use it, so they come up with their own version. While it still works, its not as straightforward and quick, IMHO, as the Zeiss Rapid-Z program.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Ripp]
      #286954 - 25/08/16 08:35 PM

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One can get the models that are reasonably light in weight..the Z6 2.5-15x44-p-l is around 19 ounces..I use the Z5 3.5-18 x44 Sheep Hunter model on my mtn rifles --it is actually 15.9 oz..which is as light or lighter than most..up to this point they have held up very well to that type of hunting..slips, horses, etc...Agree there are some models out there that are heavier but for a hunting rifle I refuse to use them..dont mind it on a target rifle at the range, but will not lug that extra weight around the mtn side ..no need..



Some of my comment was more about mounting such a scope on a double rifle, combination or single, than a bolt action.

All of these 30 mm scopes to me are really a bit too big and heavy. As Ahmed said regarding his choice of a 30mm scope on a Purdey or H&H was how could one put a Leupold on such a rifle? I could see his point, biased true, but ... A nice 1-4x or 1 1/2-5x Leupold would be better balanced on a nice double rifle, but I too probably would put a 1-4x (or similar) Zeiss or Swarovski on a double rifle too.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: NitroX]
      #303287 - 25/07/17 04:10 PM

I have only European optics for hunting. Have the whole Victory Range of Zeiss when I think about it. They will have to outlast me thinking of the money spent...

I have a doublerifledrilling which sported a Z6i 1-6x24. Although excellent glass I find it too big and cumbersome. It has a little exit pupil compared to Zeiss V which at least in theory makes it less forgiving of eye placement when shooting in a hurry, and the ocular is way too big. Got a secondhand Zeiss V 1,1-4x24 with only red dot. Superb for driven game. Sleek and fit the gun a lot better! Have a Secondhand mint Zeiss HT 2,5-10x40 on the same gun for stand hunting in the night.

Got myself a Kimber BGR .375 the other day. Tried to put the Z6i on that one. Needed medium rings to make the bolt clear the huge ocular, and make it possible to work the bolt fast. Looked silly. Decided to sell the Z6i there and then! Found a secondhand mint never mounted Zeiss Victory HT 1,5-6x42. Fits perfect in the medium rings, good room for working the bolt, and reasonable cheek weld. I prefer 42mm as I might find myself on a leopard/lion bait one day? Dreaming is free..... in the meantime it is a mighty fine rifle for moose and bear... a straight Zeiss 1,1-4 would fit the low rings with room to work the bolt just fine.

I also have a stalkingrifle for all deer. A Blaser K95 in 6,5x57R. It is sporting a Zeiss Victory HT 3-12x56 with turret. An excellent shooter/killer from point blank to 400ish meters. The king of scopes for night stand hunting. VERY light for it size. Could be said for all the Zeiss Victory 30mm sights. They are made for hunting.

The keyword for me having that many high-end scopes is "secondhand". Saves you a lot of money, getting quality for every buck!

The only rifle not having a scope is my 1908 Jeffery .450/.400 3" double.. that would be considered rape.......

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Bonde]
      #303290 - 25/07/17 04:15 PM

Bonde,

Aboslutely. I never owned Zeiss, S&B, Swarovski scopes, until people sold the nicer and slimmer older versions to buy these over bulky monstrosities 'needed' nowadays. I now have most of my rifles ftted with second hand Euro scopes.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: NitroX]
      #303305 - 25/07/17 10:46 PM

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Bonde,

Aboslutely. I never owned Zeiss, S&B, Swarovski scopes, until people sold the nicer and slimmer older versions to buy these over bulky monstrosities 'needed' nowadays. I now have most of my rifles ftted with second hand Euro scopes.



OR, have a friend that sells them and buy them at dealer cost???

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Ripp]
      #303333 - 26/07/17 06:05 PM

Glad to hear John! I reckon ppl down under are a bit more careful with their hard earned cash than most europeans..

I wonder IF the market will turn and want slimmer more compact scopes again? Especially for slender fine hunting guns?

The 34-36mm scope bodies are soon to become larger than the rifles.. Trouble startet with ppl wanting larger zoom 6x a 8x), i e 2-12x rather than 2,5-10 etc. as in 4x. Together with longer eye relief, you loose exit pupil diameter and field of view, and they have to make large oculars to countaract some of that. However, the Z8i series has an even smaller exit pupil than the Z6i, and ppl keep the craze going.. Noone really needs 6-7-8x zoom... a 10x has been used by snipers for longer distances than any hunter need. 12x and upwards really warrant a parallax adjuster, making it even more technical..

The rifles has grown quite a bit too lately...? After handling magnum rifles from yesterday, the new ones seem like handling a 2"x4".....? They do fit the scopes though..

For the scope aficionado, we have the little advertised Nickel brand put of Germany. They put emphasize on making slim scopes suitable for fine guns! They are expensive, but I reckon they are on the right track. Small oculars, kept the 4x zoom, and have a large exit pupil together with s good field of view! If I were to buy new scopes, that is what I would get!

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: 500Boswell]
      #303334 - 26/07/17 07:20 PM

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Have a Zeiss Victory ,after 50 shots out of a Lott it was History ,expected better from a scope costing that much hmmmm



Huummm. I think you got the late Friday arvo lemon. I have 2, not the illuminated ones. One on a 375H&H the other on a 358RUM. Sure they don't recoil like a Lott but I would not hesitate to put them on my 416 Rigby.

Normaly a weight scope indicates tougher construction.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Rule303]
      #303445 - 30/07/17 01:56 PM

I would like to try a Z6 1-6i EE scope on my 375 flanged Magnum. I would need new scope mounts. H&H quoted me over GBP5000 for mounts plus rib work..

Currently rifle has 1-4.5 Zeiss Victory scope.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Rockdoc]
      #303446 - 30/07/17 06:18 PM

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I would like to try a Z6 1-6i EE scope on my 375 flanged Magnum. I would need new scope mounts. H&H quoted me over GBP5000 for mounts plus rib work..

Currently rifle has 1-4.5 Zeiss Victory scope.



Nothing wrong with that Zeiss.

I have to admit I am wary of electronics in scopes. One more thing that can go wrong and most likely will not last as long as the scope without electrics. Yes I am a bit of a hypocrite, I have several Aimpoints, 2 1.25-4 Trijacon's and a Nightforce NXS scope. One Aimpoint and the Trijacon's are set up for and used on the 416Rigby. Like all scopes with an illuminated reticle they sure do draw your eye to the dot/cross hairs very quickly.

Back on subject. I just picked up a Swaro Z3. very nice, light and clear as.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Rule303]
      #303450 - 30/07/17 11:31 PM

I have a Z6i 1-6 and a Z8i 1x8. I really like them both but would never consider mounting them on a double rifle. On my K95, I put a Leupold on it simply because of the size and weight of the Swaros........ Leupy glass is nowhere near as good as the Swaros, but was a compromise I was willing to make in order to avoid having a top heavy floppy awkward rifle. A K95 is a very light handy and highly accurate rifle and is a pleasure to carry. I just couldn't ruin the ergonomics of it with a heavy scope.

I really like Zeiss glass and have owned several of the Victory models, but I am less than enamoured with their turret system as compared to the Swaro. The older Zeiss Victory with steel main tubes were heavy pigs in my very humble opinion. The aluminum tubes were better froff m a weight perspective and as long as one doesn't select a scope with an objective lens the size of a large pizza, the scope is quite manageable for a bolt rifle mounting.

Recently, I purchased a PMII 1x8 S&B and am currently playing with it. I think that it would be wonderful on a PG bolt rifle with its fine reticle and red dot, but I will stick to the Swaro for the serious business of DG hunting. The FOV is really great on the Swaro, particularly the 1x6 powered version, th reticle is just right for quick sight acquisition and the red dot is a really nice feature and is quick to deploy due to excellent ergonomics. The S&B turrets are my favorite of the bunch and the glass, at least to my eye is also really easy to love.

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Re: Swarovski New Z8 model vs Zeiss Victory comparison [Re: Postman]
      #303473 - 31/07/17 07:12 PM

That's good thinking Postman. The leupold is much lighter.

Plus the EE is not made anymore.

Was thinking more of having less scope hangover when the rifle is broken.

Will check over the weekend and see about a 1.5-5x .

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