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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: CptCurl]
      #322850 - 29/12/18 05:25 AM

Tks Curly. 16:1 it is. I am surprised, however the name of that game, is penetration and the harder bullet is needed.

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: CptCurl]
      #322861 - 30/12/18 12:54 AM

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All this talk about my 10b Paradox makes me want to get it out of the safe and take it for a ride. Nice weather is coming in a day or two. I think I may have a go with it. Stay tuned!

Curl



Can't wait to see it again in action.

Thanks and yes, that history really clarifies it. As such, what you have then is a "Last Stand" of the True Big Bores made while "Big Bore" was getting smaller every day. A true transition gun and a fascinating piece of tangible history!

That deep rifling might play heck with shot patterns but...........................I wonder what a stroll over to Ballistic Products for some mylar and/or teflon wraps and wads along with buffer might make possible! Seems to me a very thick, possibly double layer of mylar and appropriate wadding might turn out some good "12 gauge" field loads there.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Wraps-Inserts/departments/513/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Wads/departments/83/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Card-Filler-Wads/departments/211/

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Buffers-Mica-Wad-Slick/products/72/

I spent last winter in my bunker and on a snowy range with two shotguns and 5 barrels developing buckshot loads for regular old, cheap 12 bore hulls and NOTHING I've ever done with a gun has been more interesting, frustrating, prone to failure OR more rewarding!

{By the way, I doubt you would have much need with a Black Powder arm, but Tom Armbrust can pressure-test loads for cartridges for which he has a test barrel setup. You send 6 rounds and 30 or 40 bucks and he gives you a tech sheet with all the data back. I'd be surprised if he has a barrel that will take your ammo, but for others who might be working with standard stuff, he's done a good job for me.}

Looking forward to more "paradoxicurl" posts!

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: CptCurl]
      #336250 - 07/01/20 12:31 AM

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Now I am waiting for a few loading tools. Once these are in hand I will be up and running with this interesting Paradox.

More reports as events occur!

Curl



That was over three years ago! I guess I owe an update.



First, here's a look at the mould Mike made for me:





You have already seen the bullets I cast from it (above).

Now, have a look at a fantastic set of custom dies:





The shellholder was store-bought from Buffalo Arms.

The tools consist of a push-through ring bullet sizer (left); a sizing die (center); and a crimp die (right). The tools are 1-1/2" diameter and thread into an RCBS AmmoMaster press.

Below you see two empty cases on left and two loaded cartridges on right.

Here's enough to dislocate your shoulder several times over:






Anybody want to come shoot with me?

Curl

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: CptCurl]
      #336261 - 07/01/20 03:54 AM

What's the load, Curly?

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: DarylS]
      #336272 - 07/01/20 06:57 AM

I think a sissy pad may be in order.

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: Wayne59]
      #336296 - 07/01/20 11:55 PM

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I think a sissy pad may be in order.



I also reckon a few more 'snorts' as well will be in order for having a lap of this beast!
Fantastic mould & workmanship on the dies as well - can't wait to se what this this piece can do.....pretty damn well I reckon!

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: DarylS]
      #336299 - 08/01/20 01:29 AM

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What's the load, Curly?



8 drams Olde Eynsford 1-1/2F (220 grains);
Various wads - over powder card; lubed felt, etc.;
875 grain (2 oz.) bullet sized .805";
2-7/8" thin brass from Track of the Wolf.

It's as near to the original H&H 10b Paradox cartridge as can be had.

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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: CptCurl]
      #336300 - 08/01/20 01:41 AM

Got plenty of ammo waiting. Daryl, you would feel right at home - it's snowing here today!





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Re: 10b H&H Paradox - Am I keeping the wrong friends? [Re: DarylS]
      #336301 - 08/01/20 01:53 AM

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Tks Curly. 16:1 it is. I am surprised, however the name of that game, is penetration and the harder bullet is needed.



Not a problem. H&H made a steel-cored bullet for the 10b Paradox. Here's a page from the 1910 catalog:



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