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Hoyt19
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How does one become a PH?
      #27999 - 19/03/05 05:01 PM

At this point in my life- college is coming to and end, and Im faced with the choice of what am I going to do the rest of my life. Being an African PH sure is something Id be interested in doing- Does anyone have some info?

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shakari
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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28000 - 19/03/05 06:21 PM

Here's the bad news:-

Not an easy thing to get into anymore. A lot also depends on what level of Professional Hunting you want to get involved in. The lowest level (or to put it more politely the first rung of the ladder) is PH on plains game in countries such as South Africa. Most of those guys don't have enough work to operate anywhere near full time and consequently have other jobs and as they get so little experience are not particularly good. (in fact, some are bloody awful) Even when they do get work the money is minimal.......and unless you're a SA resident you won't even be allowed to sit the final exams. Most of these guys who do work in the business full time have families who own their own game farm and generally don't get to hunt elsewhere.

It's the same story as many other things in life. If you are not experienced you don't get the work and if you don't get the work you can't get the experience.

Another option is to offer to work FOC for a safari company in more remote countries but be warned, your first couple of seasons will be spent fixing trucks, toilet systems and building camps etc.........and those companies won't even look at you unless you have previous hunting experience and a good mechanical background. Finally you'll get to start an apprentiship, do whatever study is applicable in that country and begin hunting (probably part time) as a #2.

To be perfectly honest you would be much better continuing your education or other job training to allow you to get a good job that pays well and then use some of that money to go on a few hunts as a paying client. If you hunt with good safari companies and good PHs you'll begin to pick up what goes on and what is needed to become a Professional - Professional Hunter. Once you've got that experience then you are in a much better situation to decide if that's really what you want to do with the rest of your life.

A lot of people look at the work of a PH and think it's glamorous............ believe me it's not. It's often bloody hard, dangerous and dirty work........it's not so glamerous when the skinner has disappeared up his own ass and you're out in the skinning sheds at midnight with a torch in your mouth caping out a bushbuck or a buffalo and knowing you have to put in a full days hunting a few hours later.

The good news is that nothing is impossible and if you are prepared to work hard enough and pester enough people for long enough you just might manage it.... but remember there's a hell of a lot more to the job than just wandering through the bush and getting to hunt lot's of animals..........that's actually the least important part of the job. To be a good PH you need to be good at all aspects of the job and if you want a good job description then you can do no better than read PHC's description of a PH.

We are often contacted by people who want to become a PH. Many have never even been to Africa and occasionally don't own and have never even shot a rifle.........but for some obscure reason feel they're ideally suited to becoming the rising star in our company...........Christ knows why. But I do get the odd laugh out of some of them. My favourite one was a few years ago and he felt that as he had a Masters Degree in Medieval History and had once run a clay pigeon shooting club for a few months he was perfectly qualified for me to employ him.....hell, he hadn't ever shot a rifle or killed anything that didn't have feathers!

The very best thing for me as a PH & outfitter are the people I meet - and the friendships I make through hunting. I have met and become friends with many truly incredible & honourable people over the years. Not only the clients, most of whom are woderful and very accomplished people - but also other PH's and even native staff............. I guess I must have one of the most diverse groups of friends of anyone I know............. I also love the wilderness areas I'm lucky enough to spend time in.......... and most important of all, I'm lucky enough to have a woman in my life who feels the same way.

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Hoyt19
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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28001 - 19/03/05 06:34 PM

Steve-
Thank you for your reply. I havnet been to Africa, my hunting has taken place on most big game in North America. I am privialged enough to have a wonderful family friend that does to Africa every year on safari. Mr Meyers videos all of his hunt- everything from Lion to Elephant and Cape Buffalo. This was something that I really do want to learn about. One thing I know is I never know where life is going to take me, hopefully it will take me to Africa in one form or another soon.

Matt


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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28003 - 19/03/05 06:53 PM

Matt

The first thing I would do is talk to your family friend and see if he can arrange an introduction to main safari company(ies) he has dealt with. Especially if it is the same one each year.

If you could tag along on one of his hunts that would be great.

If you are lucky you may be invited to spend a season or some time working in a safari camp for experience and probably for no wages. A bowl of posho, a scrap of rotten meat, a campfire and a grass hut to sleep in doesn't make top wages in any case.

If you have other skills such as Steve mentioned eg mechanic you may find it easier.

Steve didn't mention it but he also offers or used to offer (?) a short week long course on safaris, skills, game identification etc in South Africa. And an opportunity to do a very cheap plains game hunt afterwards. I myself wouldn't mind do his course one day. Of course if you have the money a full elephant, buffalo and lion safari in Tanzania would be much much nicer.

A lot of clients see the PH life as glamorous but if you get the chance have a look in some camps where the PHs and camp managers live. Sometimes they share equivalent bandas to the client but many times they have little hot, squalid, airless concrete block dog boxes.

Good luck and have fun.



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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28005 - 19/03/05 07:27 PM

Just ask any SA farmer's son...they all seem to be PH's now.

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shakari
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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: luv2safari]
      #28007 - 19/03/05 07:45 PM

As John say's our training course which is based on the SA Professional Hunter training is an excellent starting point for anyone who wants to get involved in the African hunting industry but sadly we've had to put the African Master Hunters Courses on hold for the foreseeable future as we're just tooooo busy with the hunting side of our operations.

If we do re-start the courses it will probably be in Botswana Tuli Block but still using the SA syllabus.

Our biggest problem with the AHMC has always been getting a group who can all make the same dates! In the end we were asking people to get a group together themselves, finalise a couple of possible dates and then ask us to lay it on for them.

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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: shakari]
      #28022 - 20/03/05 06:07 AM

John raises an interesting point about your family friend. Even if he couldn't arrange for you to spend a season in the hunting camp he might agree to your accompanying him as a non hunting observer......Most good PHs would be more than happy to let you get as involved in the hunting operation as you want to and it's a good way to learn.

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Hoyt19
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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: shakari]
      #28026 - 20/03/05 08:16 AM

I dont even know how I would pay for it. Our family friend that goes leaves for a month and hunts Tanzinia. From things Ive seen guests are like $300 per day- Id be able to make it for a week and thats it. Might be worth the effort though

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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28032 - 20/03/05 11:51 AM

Hoyt

If he is a big and regular client, you never know what is possible. If your family friend lets the outfitter know of your hopes some sort of accomodation might be possible. Phrase i as as "working holiday" rather than as a non-hunting guest. A guest is a guest but a working holiday might mean you are sometimes accompanying the hunts other times asked to do some jobs.

It doesn't hurt to try.



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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: NitroX]
      #28041 - 20/03/05 03:04 PM

Thanks to everyone- I guess now is the time the rubber meets the road as they say, Ill gave to talk to the friend and see, might have to start putting money away now. I think this is something that if I dont try and see what its like for myself, Ill be wondering all my life. I love hunting Whitetail, Elk, and Wild turkey, but I think I need something more, something like Africa.

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shakari
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Re: How does one become a PH? [Re: Hoyt19]
      #28047 - 20/03/05 04:56 PM

The usual rate for a non hunting observer for a 21 day hunt is about US$5000 which works out at around US$240 per day and if you stayed for a shorter period they should charge you that on a pro rata basis. If you stayed for less than 21 days you may well find you would have to pay for a seperate charter out........ As John says if it's a regular client then the outfitter may well offer a discount for the observer..............Esp if he knows the situation.

The good news is they would probably at least let you shoot some of the camp meat animals whilst you were there.

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