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Hunting in Italy
      #276379 - 11/01/16 12:08 AM

I am Italian and i will like to know if someone not from Italy hunted here?
I would like to know your opinion about the experience and the hunting method.
(Don't speak about of our hunting laws they are ridicoulos as our politician)


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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #276469 - 12/01/16 08:09 PM

so far I have read its not easy or better said a real problem to get a hunting licence for a non italian hunter

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #276547 - 14/01/16 06:16 AM

I have talked with some older friends and they have confirmed it.
In I fact I remember in four years of hunting license I met only two times abroad hunters(One group from England and one group from Netherlands).
I am searching info about the paperwork for foreign hunters and I have discovered it's more easier and cheaper for Austrian and German hunters because there's an agreement by Austria and Germany with the special province of Bozen, it makes possible have paperwork in few time and few money.


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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #276578 - 14/01/16 05:49 PM

thats what I know about it, Südtirol is a special thing.
but Südtirol have a hunting law thats so analogus to the law in germany and austria that each side recognise the other as equal while Italy have a complete different history of law or better said there are much different traditions when we look to the north, the middle, the south and also sicily just to get a first classification of a country that is united in complexity.

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #276583 - 14/01/16 11:58 PM

You are right about Sudtirol special law but the standard law about hunting permit is the same in fact if someone the hunting license from the Bozen office, he can hunt on every private area and some special public area of Italy.
About hunting tradions in Italy, there are mainly in Sudtirol and some alps places(Valle d'aosta, Piemonte and Friuli venzia Giulia) for the ungulates such as Roebuck, Red deer and Chamois and in Tuscany especially the Maremma for the wild boar driven hunt.
PS Sudtirol is not Italy only for someone and for the maps, it is Italian.


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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #276592 - 15/01/16 05:07 AM

It is so different here we have many 1000`s of Italiano`s hunting here.
They havent shot all the birds out yet ha ha.

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: gryphon]
      #276797 - 20/01/16 03:32 AM

Italian bird hunters are the worst kind of hunters....

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #276843 - 20/01/16 10:19 PM

Okay i don't know! Can someone explain what it is with Italian bird hunters?

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Ash]
      #276846 - 20/01/16 11:54 PM

itkid means the hunting of migratory birds in italy still surviving from mediaval roots in some places in italy.



as a supporter of the controlled hunting of sea mammals I am probably not the right person to judge about this.
I have a strong interest in every subkategory of hunting also the more exotic and looking at everything with the eye of a historian. I would not shoot small migratory birds, not only because they are protected, but the whole problem is not without something you could learn for yourself.

take a look into youtube but did not find old material but Malta is very similar( an italian territory before the knights came)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THiCMQXSryQ



edit: find it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvraTjbOdDo

this is what itkid means

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #276898 - 21/01/16 10:06 PM

Lancaster you are right and you are the right person to judge them because you are talking of "controlled hunting of sea mammals" but they don't talked of controlled hunting they made a type of No fly zone in fact many of them shoot all birds move in the air.
These kind of hunter are typical of two areas the Brescia zone and the area of Vicenza, in fact they have specials nickname given by hunters of the others areas.
Take in mind the biggest bird the shoots is smaller than a sparrow.
Ps. In Tuscany we prefer wild boars


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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #277387 - 31/01/16 10:11 PM

its a pity that just Brescia and Vicenca came here on the table. Brescia because its on the way to the gunmaking center north of this town, the traditional heart of the italien gun industry just to mention Beretta in Gardonne Val Trompia and Vicenza because of its general importance for the development of the good taste.
times goes by and it was in summer 2013 yours truly was in Vicenzea to study the legacies of Maestro Palladio who had done so much for arts and crafts in this world.
I see the taste of the palladianism not only in architecture but also in such everyday objects like classic double rifles. the whole idea of classicism is not possible without Palladio so its no fun for me to see Vicenza in such a dim light.
The problem is in the hands of the local hunting administration who had seen it for decades that such a special "tradition" brings more bad than good.
my link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvraTjbOdDo shows clearly that there is a zone of anarchy which screams for regulation.
there are some valleys in the southern side of the alps working like funnels who take the migratory birds up to the north. I was on the Lago Di Garda in 2009 in the end of march and its sometimes if you are in a battle but instead of gunfire you here allways the cuckoo around you. every bird is on the move and there is a special electricity in the air.
the video from Malta shows a regulated migratory birds hunt like it have to be. anyone with a licence can shoot doves and quail but only limited. the dead cuckoo, well someone made a mistake because this bird is to close to a dove when in fligth.
this german bird conservationist is right that there is a black market for rare taxidermied bird like it is for eggs but on conditions you have on malta? where the next hunter is 50 meter to the right and to the left? this island is to small and there will allways someone talking who had seen this.
btw, most of this bird lovers will also talking against shooting cats outside of villages what is a common duty north of the alps. been in the hunting legislation for long time we see now first politians banning this "cruel sport" because its sounds good for the common stupid voter.
you know:




the truth is you can't shoot enough of this, just a few links
http://www.rspb.org.uk/makeahomeforwildlife/advice/gardening/unwantedvisitors/cats/birddeclines.aspx
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cats-kill-more-one-billion-birds-each-year



the same hobby "conservationist" are happy about the advent of invasive species like raccon and raccoon dog which take every chance to get birds and nests.
so stupidity on both sides! I dont talk about banning this special hunting tradition completly, nothing is so stupid you can 't learn anything but it have to change or must gone.
I fear the modern "industrial" agriculture together with all kinds of chemical fertilizer and pesticides, wild and tame predators will make a birds live hard enough also without this.

there can be no doubt the video's you send my about your kind of boar hunting in tuscany is a complete different thing.
I will give the links here because its of common interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FsnMyVpno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEUygyY2feg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jAM3UmAWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwK8inJRFCU

honourable, thick cover between macchie and jungle
real hunting, must be a good experience to see it in person

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #278304 - 22/02/16 06:19 PM

its very surprising but it seems we are just in time and "Hunting in Italy" is just the spirit of the age http://www.repubblica.it/ambiente/2016/0...356/?ref=search

the italian newspaper "Repubblica" had an article about the wolf problem, now in italy, and came with the surprising answer "The Ministry of Environment, in a document prepared by the Italian Zoological Union, in substance announces that, after spending so many millions for the protection of Canis lupus, now we need to invest some EURO in bullets."

you from other parts of the world probably knowing that mister wolf is the new holy cow of the EU bureaucrats who try hand in hand with pervert and brain washed animal rights activist to hold mister wolf in an untouchably position.
so no wonder they make a loud howling about anyone who see it from the other end.




"The return of the wolves is scary to the shepherds. "needing a plan to shoot them"

Towards a derogation from EU rules. "Too much damage for farmers."
The Lav: "Step back 50 years"

of JENNER MELETTI
February 14, 2016
The return of the wolves is scary to the shepherds. "needing a plan to shoot them"
There were spent tens of millions to return the wolves in our woods and mountains. They were almost extinct in 1971, when we started their protection. Now - although it is hard to count, no cows in the barn - are between 1,070 and 2,452 in the Apennines, between 100 and 150 in the Alps. The Ministry of Environment, in a document prepared by the Italian Zoological Union, in substance announces that, after spending so many millions for the protection of Canis lupus, now we need to invest some EURO in bullets. In bureaucratic terms, the proposed "exceptions to the ban from the removal of the wolf". It also puts a limit on these "withdrawals": 5%. But even before the plan to become effective (Tuesday the meeting between the Ministry and the Regions Conference) leave heavy controversy. "The ministry - denounces the Lav, animal rights - after 45 years will enable killings of wolves and hybrids, and will make it even possible to hunt down stray dogs".

Removals and withdrawals come after that, for decades, considerable resources have also been spent to reimburse farmers for damage. Symbol of the province may be to Grosseto, for the high presence of these animals and the consequent protests of sheep owners, calves and donkeys who found disemboweled beasts or wounds. In recent years some have applied a "DIY justice", making finding of wolves heads and carcasses killed by the roadside. In 2010 - the data are reported by Lav - in this province that is home to about half of the 550-600 between wolves and hybrids of Tuscany - 2,296,659 Euros have been spent to prevent or remove the wolf-dog crosses. In 2011, € 1,657,636 was invested to prevent conflicts between wolves and human activities. In 2014, 281 793 euro to pay pastors and other breeders have been spent. In the same year he left the regional plan, a three-year, to repay the breeders with 4 million euro. If the percentage compared to the other provinces will be the same in recent years, Grosseto would receive in total, from 2010 to the end of this year, 6,335,107 Euros. When the news of the last funds allocated for the damage has been featured on The Tirreno, a player has suffered commented: "The wolves? We spend less to send them out to the restaurant."

Canis lupus is not the only animal that creates problems. From 1980 to 2010 - we read in the ministerial document - the deer has increased by 700%, 350% of the roe deer, the chamois of 120%, 300% of the mouflon. The boar, uncensored in 1980, since 2000 has increased by 400% and that's why in Tuscany hunting was open all year. But the "withdrawal" of the wolf poses serious problems. The Habitats Directive 92/43 EEC defines "priority species" and prohibits "capture, killing, disturbance, possession, transport, trade and marketing." But exceptions have been obtained from France, Spain and Sweden. In the ministerial document states that Italy requesting the derogation to limit the "social tension", especially in areas where the species "has returned after decades of absence and where farming methods are developed which, to be compatible with the the wolf, require costly preventive measures ". So the "withdrawal of some specimens" may "serve other actions to prevent and mitigate the damage."

Agree with most of the farmers and ranchers plan. "Finally - says Stefano Masini, environmental manager for the Coldiretti - the government has realized that workers can no longer withstand the constant attacks of livestock predators. Eliminating some head too aggressive can really reduce social conflict. We do not like, instead, the proposal to reduce the pastures and agriculture in marginal areas of the mountain where the wolf is present. These are lands where young farmers are building, even with European funds, their activities. "

Strong protest of Lav. "The ministerial plan - says Massimo Vitturi, responsible for wild animals - speaks of" conservation and management of the wolf "but it is actually a step back almost half a century. It is unacceptable, from a scientific standpoint and even more under the moral. The cutting - there are studies across Europe - not by decreasing predation. And the opening of hunting does not stop poaching, indeed. If the system endorse the killing of the wolf, the poacher will feel a benefactor. "

"We sent our opinions to the ministry - continues Vitturi - but we had no answer. The latest draft is worse than before. It involves the killing of stray dogs and wolf-dogs not only in protected areas but also in rural areas. in addition to stray, they will also be killed ownership dogs who are lost? ". The plan is not approved yet, but already start the first "shot". For now, with blanks."

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #278333 - 23/02/16 04:57 AM

Before speaking about the article I will present the source, Repubblica years ago published a report against the hunting plan of Piemonte region for Roebuck but the put a photo of a White Tail deer.
The substance is clear, sorry but I haven't the time to make a complete translation if some point isn't clear ask me, but they don't speak about the thing of the major part of damages are made by the hybrid and the major parts of population are hybrid.
IMHO it is wrong the indiscriminate hunting but it is right the selection though hunting against hybrid.


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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: Itkid]
      #278361 - 23/02/16 05:48 PM

this wolf- dog hybrid problem is everywhere the mayor fear and you would think it must be also a reason for the wolf f.....r to give money into wildlife research. it could not be their dream of mother earth undisturbed to have such a kind of werwolf instead of the pure natural product envisaged once.
think in australia its a simialr problem with dingo - dog hybrids.
I believe the greeny's don't like to talk about it because the only answer in the end would be to spend some euro's for bullet's and sort out the one they dont want but this makes the green masterplan the travesty it allways was.
when you load the gun its the end of the illusion

for your quality mainstraim press dont believe it would be better in other places
the brave people working there got the job because they having the right belief and you can be happy they dont use a pic of a dinosaur or an old stinky goat.

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #278364 - 23/02/16 07:56 PM

I have the dingo/dingo wild dog hybrids right here in the back yard.

Pure yellow too,not necessarily 'dingo' but still killers.
One on a deer set.



Another on a wombat dragged up to a post and tied.
Just up the back from the house.
Interestingly they didnt touch it until it was 'maggot flat',they then extracted the entire skeleton and dragged it up the paddock.



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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: gryphon]
      #278365 - 23/02/16 07:59 PM


This set was done about 2 k`s from home at the top end of the home paddock. Two minutes by dog!





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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: gryphon]
      #278399 - 24/02/16 06:17 PM

with your long experience can you sort out a hybrid from the pure dingo on the first or second view.

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #278423 - 25/02/16 05:54 AM

If its yellow and fits the mould most will say dingo and if its on Fraser Island in Qld its most likely correct.

Same in Alpine Victoria but the hybridisation is probably throughout the whole lot of them here.Whether they have diluted blood they will still revert back to the dominant yellow and basic dingo shape it seems.

I am surprised that there is such a balanced yellow population here.
A mate down the road and over the range sees a yellow dog weekly as well.

Mind you a certain Jimmy Cooks diary realised " a black dog was sighted blah blah" that was a few hundred years ago!

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: gryphon]
      #278432 - 25/02/16 07:21 AM

I allways had the opinion that allmost ever in evolution such little drop's of strange blood will be sortet out according to the laws of Mendelian inheritance

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Re: Hunting in Italy [Re: lancaster]
      #278437 - 25/02/16 07:54 AM

Here is an older article i found while looking around the net.

http://www.abc.net.au/site-archive/rural/content/2009/s2771097.htm

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