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BigBear
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William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads
      #27332 - 06/03/05 02:10 PM

Hello all. I am new to this site but have been a fanatic about double rifles and Africa for a long time. I recently bought a new William Douglas in 470NE. Does anyone know much about this rifle? Supposedly regulated with Federal but am working on to find best recipe. To play with I wanted to know if anyone has pet recipes for practice loads to have some fun with, maybe even a whitetail in the woods. As well, anyone have dies for a 470 or does anyone load for their buddies. would appreciate any help and getting to know more on the site. got a 2 elephant hunt booked in April.



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AussieMike
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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #27355 - 06/03/05 08:26 PM

I always shoot full power loads in my WR 470 and I've taken one cape buffalo but quite a few goats and pigs, a fox and a few rabbits. I'm currently going to try and add a hare and a feral sheep to the tally. The limiting factor for me is making sure I have a safe back stop.

The full power loads are quite adequate for smaller animals, although I hit the fox through the hips at 15 yards (running shot) and had to use a finisher. Shows how important shot placement is!

I use 115gn of AR 2214 (slower than H1000) and a 500gn Woodleigh but you'll have to figure out which load regulates in your rifle. Graeme Wright's "Shooting the English Double Rifle" is invaluable. I bought a double 20+ years ago and thought it was a bit of s--t, then, in 1997 bought Graeme's book and got it shooting into 2" 6 shots, open sights at 55 yards. The book will pay for itself just in helping you avoid crumpling cases.

Some of the guys here have reduced loads which regulate in their doubles and I'm sur they'll chime in.

mike

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chrispie
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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #27382 - 07/03/05 05:06 AM

welcome to the forum, and congrats on your new 470, i too would practice with full loads since that is what you will be using on big floppy ears, on loads, do a search for 470 under reloading and you will find a number of different load. i used 45gr of xmp 5744 for deer, gave me 1420fts. out of 24inch bl. but again learn your rifle, practice,practice and then more practice.

you can buy everything you need for reloading from midwayusa.com or huntingtons.

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BigBear
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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: AussieMike]
      #27456 - 08/03/05 12:47 AM

Thanks Aussiemike, Any idea where I can find this book? I searched Amazon but could not find it. Assume it is in a specialty house. Also, I plan to come to Oz at some time to shoot a buffalo. Difficult now to bring in rifles? I have a friend as well that outfits up around Melville Island. Thanks for advice.

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #27459 - 08/03/05 02:13 AM

Try 77 grains of reloader 15 with 5 grains of poly filler topped off with a 375 grain cast performance hard cast flat nose bullet.

You can step it up a bit with 87 grains of reloader 15, 5 grains polly filler top off with there 425 grain bullet. Grizzly medicine!

That is what I shoot in my .470

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BigBear
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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: bonanza]
      #27460 - 08/03/05 02:41 AM

Thanks Bonanza. Still trying to learn. My real home is in NC near the SC border. Like to see others in the area interested in things like golden days of Africa, etc. Where exactly? Are there more SCI events beginning to develop there?

BB

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #27461 - 08/03/05 02:47 AM

www.huntingtons.com has the 2nd. edition of "shooting the British double rifle" for $31.98. Dave

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: davem3]
      #27470 - 08/03/05 05:39 AM

I've got the first edition - is there more info (pressure data, loads etc) in the second edition?

mike

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: AussieMike]
      #27477 - 08/03/05 07:16 AM


Shooting The British Double Rifle, 2nd Edition by Graeme Wright Home Order Form
The author reviewed his classic work on Loading for Double Rifle. This work is better with more information, a must for anyone interested in double rifles.
Part # Description Retail
800 Shooting British Double Rifle 31.98

Huntington's ad on the book. Dave

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #27512 - 09/03/05 01:26 AM

Big Bear,

Well this is my first post here, however, I post on AR using the same "jjs". I recently bought my first DR a new Merkel in 470. Mine was regulated for the Federal TB Sledgehammers...not sure about your DR.

As others have noted here G. Wright's book is very valuable resource. You can purchase it from Midway as well. Reloading Dies & Shell Holders were difficult to obtain as of last week but I found that Graf & Sons had them in stock. If you are going to reload you will need a larger press than standard..I purchased the RCBS Ammo Master but the Rockchukker Supreme will work fine as will others.

My fist set of handloads were using H4831sc, Norma Brass, Barnes Banded Solids, Federal 215Match Primer...sized, trimmed, crimped, etc...the last load I tested was chronographed at 2112 fps (the same a Fed. Factories, in my rifle). My handloads were much more consistent, shoot to point of aim, and grouped better than I could have expected.

I plan on experimenting with Barnes Banded and Triple Shocks (which are just now available from Barnes), North Fork Cup Points and Flat Nose, and Woodliegh Softs. Powders I will be using H4831sc, H4350, and possibly RL 15 but I do not like the idea of fillers...but that may change.

Good luck!
jjs

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: jjs]
      #27514 - 09/03/05 01:45 AM

JJS,

I reload my 470 with R15 and ploy filler with exellent results. Luckly I got my dies and shell holder with the rifle.

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #71045 - 09/02/07 03:03 AM

What does one pay for a William Douglas 470NE - with ejectors?

Edited by Bahati (09/02/07 03:04 AM)

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: BigBear]
      #71079 - 09/02/07 01:02 PM

Welcome BigBear,

I use 102gr IMR 4831 in my 470. If you have an elephant hunt in April I'd be spending my range time with Woodleigh softs and solids in front of 85-87grs of R-15 with filler that should duplicate the Federal load. Many have reported problems with the Barnes products and other monolithic bullets, I don't really see a need to risk anything when the excellant Woodleighs are available.

You may contact RCBS directly if you are having trouble locating dies.

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Re: William Douglas and Low Pressure Play Loads [Re: 470evans]
      #71095 - 09/02/07 07:07 PM

BigBear,
I will also be hunting Ele this April with my Merkel 470NE using Woodleigh solids, Norma Brass,FED 215MAG primers and 103grs of AR2209 (IMR4350} for 2130fps MV.
Works well for me for Foxes on up to Buff and Elephant.
Have heard good things about the WILLIAM DOUGLAS. They are generally quite light in weight.
My load can be backed down to 100grns for play loads.
ozhunter

Edited by ozhunter (09/02/07 07:13 PM)

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