Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: 416 Ruger loads

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***
You are not logged in. [Login] Main Index · Search · Active Topics
New user · Who's Online · FAQ · Calendar

Shooting & Reloading - Mausers, Big Bores and others >> Big Bore Rifles
Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Pages: 1
gundog
.275 member


Reged: 16/10/10
Posts: 58
Loc: Victoria, Australia
416 Ruger loads
      #272680 - 05/11/15 07:58 PM

I guess this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it. Does anyone here have any load data for the 416 Ruger, using 350gn bullets & AR2208 powder? ADI don't list it on their website or in their latest book, although you'd think they would, seeing this round has been out for some time now.
Cheers

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 26998
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: gundog]
      #272711 - 06/11/15 04:04 AM

Ahhhh - Varget- That should work.
Here's a quote from a forum I found.

"Latest update on my .416 Ruger: now using 350 grain TSX bullets with 80 grains Varget and 215 federal primers. This load shows no signs of high pressure, and puts bullets in EXACTLY the same place at 50 and 100 yards as Hornady DGX and DGS 400 grain bullets. I plan to try it on Leopard and Bushbuck this year in Zimbabwe."

On Nosler's site, they went from 66.0gr. Varget to 70gr. Varget with 400gr. bullets and the top speed was from 1,100fps to just under 2,300fps. Reloader 15 did better with the 400's on the Nosler site.

here's another quote

"I did some more shooting with the 416 Ruger on Sunday. When I reached 78.5 grains of W748, the bolt did seem a little sticky, although the primers were fine and case head expansion was minimal. The velocity was an average of 2365 fps, equating to 4967 ft/lbs of energy with a 400 grain A-Frame. Not bad for a 20 inch barrel.

I think I will load some more at this charge and do a little more rigorous accuracy testing before I settle on this load.

This would be a tough load to beat for big Alaskan browns and moose. Now, if I can only quit buying guns for a while and put some money away for that trip!!"

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: DarylS]
      #272716 - 06/11/15 04:40 AM

Quote:

This would be a tough load to beat for big Alaskan browns and moose. Now, if I can only quit buying guns for a while and put some money away for that trip!!"



I agree--think that would be a perfect load for both. Also agree, like you I should quit buying and hunt more..but that new candy is hard to turn down..

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 26998
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: Ripp]
      #272720 - 06/11/15 05:22 AM

Here's another off an Alaskan forum:

H4350 is ADI 2209.

"I have a .416 Ruger alaskan, and I use 73 grains H4350 with a Speer
350 grain Mag Tip. Also use this charge with a 350 gr. Kodiak.
I have yet to shoot anything alive with it, but penetration tests have been positive. I would not hesitate to use the Mag Tip on a Brownie.
The 350 gr. TSX also shoots well with this load.
This, and the .375 Ruger have proven to be untempermental and easy
to work with.
While the Houge stock shoots well from the bench, and does reduce
recoil, I added a Ruger synthetic from Brownells. It fit's my large hands better, and handles well.This is the same stock as the Compact Magnum comes with.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
gundog
.275 member


Reged: 16/10/10
Posts: 58
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: DarylS]
      #272740 - 06/11/15 07:11 PM

I emailed ADI, asking for load data & their response was "We don't have any. We checked with sources in the US & there's none there either". They then recommended I contact Woodleigh bullets, as there may be some data in their reloading manual.
Frankly, I find this bizarre. This round has been out for at least 5 years or thereabouts & no data!!
A friend of mine is using 73gn 2208 behind a 400gn TSX & wants to use the 350gn Swift A frames, hence the enquiry. I looked at the 416 RM data with the same powder & it goes from a starting load of 76gn to a listed max load of 82gn. I suggested he could start at 75gn & go from there. Any thoughts?

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
eagle27
.400 member


Reged: 24/01/09
Posts: 1165
Loc: Rolleston, Christchurch, New Z...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: gundog]
      #272742 - 06/11/15 07:46 PM

If your friend has a good load using Varget with a 400gr bullet it is simple and safe enough in these big capacity cartridges just to raise the load a couple of grains with a lighter bullet such as a 350gr as a good starting load.

I do not know why the lack of loading data in a manual is a barrier to experienced reloaders. Plenty of loads published on the internet now for almost any cartridge that will get anyone loading, a bit different to when I started loading for my 404 where without the internet about the only advice was to start with IMR3031 at or just above the factory cordite load. Elmer Keith published a few loads for the British big bores using IMR4064 and 78grs H4831 so I just started at that with IMR4831 and worked up loads for the 400gr and 350gr bullets.

Every rifle shoots different even from recommended loads in manuals so the only way to go is with a chronograph or just use pressure signs and work up an accurate load within those guidelines.

I haven't bought a reloading manual for years, the internet has taken over that role.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 26998
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: eagle27]
      #272790 - 07/11/15 03:18 AM

Yes - if he has loads fro 400gr., start there and go up according to pressure signs. That is exactly what wildcatters do. Start with a known safe load and start experimenting. A chronograph is most useful!

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
gundog
.275 member


Reged: 16/10/10
Posts: 58
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: DarylS]
      #272855 - 08/11/15 09:30 AM

Eagle27...I wouldn't call my friend an experienced reloader, he's only been doing it for a short time. He's not one for the computer either, so when he has a question, or hits the wall, he asks me. When he asked me about the 416 loads initially, I looked at the 416 RM data in the loading manual, seeing the case capacity is only slightly more than that of the Ruger. It listed a start load of 76gn 2208 & a max load of 82gn 2208 behind a 350gn bullet. I suggested he start at 75gn & go from there...which is what you suggested!
I think he was after something more concrete, because I could tell in our conversations that he wasn't too confident, hence contacting ADI & asking the question here.
Thanks for the replies.
Cheers

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 26998
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: gundog]
      #272862 - 08/11/15 11:26 AM

Sounds as if he is looking for someone to say USE XX gr. of powder and you are done.
He needs to work up an accurate load, starting with known safe loads and going from there as pressure signs and accuracy indicate.

There is no shortcut - other than being stuck with factory ammo. He needs to understand that.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
eagle27
.400 member


Reged: 24/01/09
Posts: 1165
Loc: Rolleston, Christchurch, New Z...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: gundog]
      #272878 - 08/11/15 05:09 PM

Quote:

Eagle27...I wouldn't call my friend an experienced reloader, he's only been doing it for a short time. He's not one for the computer either, so when he has a question, or hits the wall, he asks me. When he asked me about the 416 loads initially, I looked at the 416 RM data in the loading manual, seeing the case capacity is only slightly more than that of the Ruger. It listed a start load of 76gn 2208 & a max load of 82gn 2208 behind a 350gn bullet. I suggested he start at 75gn & go from there...which is what you suggested!
I think he was after something more concrete, because I could tell in our conversations that he wasn't too confident, hence contacting ADI & asking the question here.
Thanks for the replies.
Cheers



Fair enough, although anyone who is reloading for a big bore and has a good accurate load with a 400gr bullet must have some experience to get that far. Even for an experienced reloader, meaning one who has loaded for a range of cartridges using a selection of powders and bullets, likely made and loaded his own cast bullets, annealed cases etc., etc., when starting out with a cartridge they haven't loaded before especially one not listed in reloading manuals, just has to do a bit of research and start with what is available.

However many reloaders do like to check manuals and other sources to try and get specific data for the components they intend using or even to confirm that the load they have developed is in the realms of reason. The problem that can happen, and it features often enough in discussions on various forums, is that load data from a range of manuals is usually all over the place even for common cartridges. Maximum loads given in one reloading manual can often be starting loads or near enough to it, in other manuals. Older manuals from the same bullet or powder manufacturer are usually far less conservative than the later editions. It all gets confusing and then they come on here wanting answers as to why the manuals are different.

A chronograph is a good investment, easy to use, and answers a lot of questions.

Your friend will be close on the money starting with a couple of grains more powder as has been suggested similarly if he had a load for the 350gr bullet, a couple of grains less would have given him a good load with a 400gr bullet. Won't be long and he will be confident.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
coll416
.275 member


Reged: 19/02/12
Posts: 82
Loc: Central Queensland
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: gundog]
      #276033 - 03/01/16 09:47 PM

Hi gundog
I have used 73.0gns AR2208 behind 410gn Woodleighs as a working load in my .416 Taylor for years (2340fps). I also used 76.0gns behind the 340gn Woodleigh, this is somewhat milder load than the 410gn load (2500fps). Please be aware this data is ten years old.

I know the cartridge is different however they seem to be very similar!

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 26998
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: coll416]
      #276048 - 04/01/16 05:04 AM

Enter the New Hornady 9th Edition Manual

The new Hornady manual (I just checked my new copy) has 11 different powders loaded from minimum to maximum loads. One needs a copy of the conversion chart from ADI or Hodgdon or visa/vis to see the actual ADI powders used. They only list 400gr. bullets, from 400gr. Interlock RN, 400gr. DGS and 400gr. DGX- all the same data.

One is Varget, but being a relatively fast powder, Hornady only went as high as 2,150fps with it. Start at 60.8gr. for 2,000fps and shows a maximum of 68.1gr. at 2,150fps.

That is the only ADI powder I see listed.

Other powders are H335, IMR4320, VihtV N-140, Win 748, RL#15, Big Game, PowerPro 2000 MR, Win760/H414, IMR4007 SSC, AC 2700.

Only the Powerpro goes as high as 2,350fps.

They used a 20" bl. Ruger Hawkeye for load development.

Their data is most likely available on-line. go to their web site. www.hornady.com or something like that.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
gundog
.275 member


Reged: 16/10/10
Posts: 58
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Re: 416 Ruger loads [Re: DarylS]
      #277095 - 25/01/16 01:01 PM

I have seen the data on the Hornady website, but alas, as you say, it's only for the 400gn bullet. I haven't caught up with my mate lately, so I'm not sure where he's at with his load development, but it seems we're on the right track.
I see Ruger are doing a left hand 416Ruger in the Hawkeye this year...another to the list!!

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1


Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Extra information
0 registered and 17 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:   

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 6587

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved