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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: larcher]
      #268980 - 06/08/15 06:48 AM

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I doubt the airline ban will affect much of anything other than the airlines' pocketbooks. Most people traveling from the US to Africa will choose S. African airlines or one of the Gulf carriers like Qatar Airlines or Emirates. Connections in the gulf are excellent, weather is always reliable, and these airlines are simply worlds ahead of all US carriers on pricing, comfort, food, number of destinations, etc. The only issue might be a small domestic connection on the return flight, but the trophies could be offloaded and delivered from the entry airport. Moreover, anyone with the resources and know how to put together an African safari will have no difficulty dealing with a piddling little trifle such as this.

That is what Dallas Safari Club probably wanted to say.




good post

If airlines get compasional, so be it. So far we have a decent choice airwayswise. Let the fool advertize, and then quite a lot of companies are happy with hunters' booking. I take it as a good lesson about emotionally fragile companies.
Now we can know who are our friends.

all this fuck up is about EMOTION

in french emotion is emotion too.

I don't want to elaborate on SCI, but so far so good.




Agree totally with all of this...knee jerk reactions..do anything to make it look like they are doing something...

Didn't know emotion is also emotion in French.. great, now I speak several languages..

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Ripp]
      #268994 - 06/08/15 08:22 PM

from hunter Glenn Kendall

Cecil the Zimbabwe Lion

Family, Friends, Colleagues and fellow hunters along the endless Safari trail,
These thoughts of mine come from the countless emails, phone calls and texts from many of you looking for my opinion on the heels of the reported illegally hunted Lion in Zimbabwe named Cecil.
As I already communicated with a few of you I did as you know speak out in anger about the possibility that a big game hunter would have broken the code of ethics illegally hunting such a great big game animal like the African Lion…I guess the liberal media had me jump the gun that first day…Shame on me…I’m very passionate about hunting and conservation… Maybe it was before my first cup of coffee…
As most of you know I have been a hunter since my early years. For many many years now years now I have been fortunate enough to spend time all over the world and in many of the countries in Africa, Some of them multiple times. Before I first ventured to the Dark Continent I learned all about conservation, game management, legal and safe hunting and of course the wonderful wildlife that inhabits one of the most beautiful wild landscapes on earth.
I have been in crocodile and hippo invested waters on many occasion, been charged multiple times by elephant, been so close to Lions and Leopards that I could smell there bad dental habits, (HMMMM speaking of dentists?) and hunted more Cape Buffalo than any other species I’ve taken in Africa.
Hunters all gravitate to what they enjoy or are good at I just have more of a hunkering for those with claws, fangs, tusks and horns. I got the fever back in the early 90’s legally hunting a wild Mountain Lion and was hooked on the dangerous stuff ever since. It has taken me to Wild Alaska for the biggest brown bears on the planet to all over Africa for the hairy scary stuff. All of this of course done legally with permits and done the right way. Hard hunting afield is my passion.
As an avid big game hunter I have contributed lots money to the less fortunate in these different countries. I have helped to aid the anti-poaching efforts that really only the hunters like me, hunting companies, land owners and some of the game departments do. Where are the anti’s when it’s time to write the checks?
Legally hunt a few to save a lot of these magnificent animals: A short time ago someone at Safari Club bid to hunt a Rhino and paid $350,000. A big portion of the money would go back into Rhino research and conservation. This old Rhino was on borrowed time and had he died naturally none of the money would have aided Rhino conservation, research and anti-poaching. The anti’s of course were up in arms about this…They just want to disagree and really don’t care in my opinion about these animals…Put your money where your mouth is what I think…To be quite honest I think they enjoy all the senseless attention about Cecil…
I have paid for and fed many villages for months on end in Tanzania with Elephant, Buffalo, Hippo and other wild game. All hunted and taken legally with permits…
In Botswana I donated a bull elephant to a local community after I gladly paid dearly in fees to legally hunt it. They used every single piece of that elephant to feed a whole village for god knows how long for old bull elephants in Botswana are the size of dump trucks. The guts that were left afield probably fed the likes of scavengers like hyena, jackal and vultures. Nothing wasted.
There is no better feeling then to watch dozens of the villagers show up after hunting a bull elephant knowing you are helping them to have food for a while. The smiles that the Africans radiate is like none I have ever seen in my life. I have taken countless photos of the African smiles…Us Americans should take a lesson and try an ear to ear grin once in a while…
For many of you who are not aware elephants live very long time. If they die of old age, and make it that far? It is painful to say the least, as elephant’s teeth wear down until they starve to death which takes a long time in many instances… Starving to death means not only suffering but then not having the strength to fight off being eaten alive by lions and other carnivore... Living in wild Africa is a struggle of life and death every day and night... Spend an evening by the camp fire in the wild fields like I have many times and you can listen to the horrors of the predators chasing and catching prey. Each time an elephant dies like this no money is put into conservation and anti-poaching. When a hunter legally takes an old big bull then it is aiding the wonderful their people supplying them with food, funding the hunting companies, and monies go into local governments, game departments, and help with anti-poaching efforts. I am in no way inferring that all old bull elephants should only be hunted I am just telling you the real story of what happens in each incident…
This communication is not intended to convince anyone who does not hunt or believe in hunting to agree with me. It’s telling you the truth about what goes on in Africa... I’ve been there and done it, seen it and been a legal part of it for a long time. Much longer than most anchors sitting behind desks at major news stations who misreport information to the public. Most of them don’t know the first thing about how hunting, game management and conservation works. It’s really irresponsible to report these things to folks who really believe right off the bat that ‘Cecil was lured out of the park and killed illegally and poached without an investigative outcome.
One of the stories that aired on a major network morning show stated Cecil was killed and illegally poached by a hunter resulted in his off spring being savagely killed by another male or males… It sounded terrible and scary and O my gosh what horrible crime right? Wrong…Each time a male lion who governs the pride is either killed, dies or run off by a Lion or Lions the new male or males do come and kill the offspring. It’s the way nature works with Lions in parks, the wild and everywhere in Africa. Immediately after this the females go in heat and the new male or males start a new family tree. It’s the life and death cycle of the African lion. Our beloved daily news reporting of course forgot this important part… Did they know and not report or are they just trying to shed a bad light on hunters? HMMM could anchors that get paid millions of dollars a year be this short sited? Maybe we should ask Brian Williams?
I could go on and on about the information we have heard from the media and really know one knows the real truth yet and may never? I’m glad I’m not being investigated by a one sided Zimbabwe government that makes their own rules coupled with liberal America that jumps on the bandwagon with these guilty before innocent conclusions. I’m sure at some point the white house will get involved and make yet another stupid uniformed comment. But then again they do that a lot so it’s just another day in America.
I have hunted Lions through legal means with all the necessary permits through tracking, baiting and by happenstance. And I have only chose to hunt them during day light hours although you can hunt at night in certain countries, it just been my personal way of doing it. Up close with double rifles like the old timers in the old days. My experience and knowledge has been through study, research and afield.
In my opinion luring a Lion out of a park where he has lived most of his adult life who has an abundance of female Lions around him who do most of the hunting with plentiful game to support the pride wouldn’t be easy would it? You wouldn’t bait him with a carcass hanging off a smelly oily hunting vehicle? As reported by the media? Would you? I sure wouldn’t and would not bait anything that was not legal…And certainly not off a vehicle… Why would you leave the comforts of your home where you can eat a great meal and instead go for a steak at the local gas station dining on top of the fuel pumps? Maybe add oil to the bake potato? 10W40? Get my drift?
How do we not know that Cecil left the park because was he run off by other Lion or lions? Who took over the pride? Remember a Lion that lives to be 13 years old is on borrowed time. Definitely an elder…
Why in any of the pictures we have seen of Cecil did we not see a radio collar? And we have seen plenty of them the last few weeks? I’m not saying he wasn’t collared as it’s reported he was but maybe the hunter did not see it? After all it was under that big black mane? Just a thought…
Before Cecil was killed it was reported that he was tracked for 40 hours after he was shot with bow and arrow…If this is the case then why did he go away from the park where he felt safe? Why didn’t he go back home? Lions when wounded tend to go to cover and places they feel safe? Why would he run the other way? Did he not want to go back where he wasn’t welcomed anymore? Another theory that may make sense?
What if the dentist and the professional hunter were Lion hunting and Cecil came to their bait site and as hunters they saw this great old Lion had a permit and hunted him like they would any Lion? After all that’s why they were out there? Wasn’t it? Maybe they didn’t know this Lion was famous with one name like ‘Madonna’ and a celebrity?
When I first went on safari a long time ago I was new at it. You learn the ropes. I can say when you venture off to the big continent of Africa you do rely on the travel agents, hunting companies and professional hunters to sort out the necessary legal documentation and permits. This dentist who hunted and killed Cecil did he rely on such? We don’t really know and would only assume? Maybe not? I don’t know him…
In talking to a dear friend and fellow hunter of many years he said what we all should be thinking…”let’s wait for the findings of the investigation before we out the dentist of his life and ruin his business and have to deal with senseless death threats that only affect him and his family”… Makes sense doesn’t it? Remember this is America and aren’t we innocent until proven guilty? The man’s life is ruined to say the least. I’m the first to say he should have to pay penance, do time or whatever the penalty is if in fact he and anyone else involved knowingly illegally poached and killed Cecil…

My wonderful airline Delta whom I have been dedicated with Platinum Medallion status has just pulled a knee jerk reaction to an un-investigated story now not shipping Elephant, Lion, Leopard, Buffalo and Rhino. By this writing I’m sure other airlines will jump on the bandwagon… Really? Let’s just rush to judgement…If the dentist really did illegally kill Cecil then why punish everyone else for it? Punish him and any others involved and move on…
I have a well-respected friend who is a Professional hunter and he and his family own land in Africa. They have a great reputation as land owners, farmers and hunters. I have hunted with them fair chase, by the books, legal permits and all the proper documented paperwork needed afield. He knows the Professional hunter involved and has said in all his dealings with him have all been of the upmost and he had great character, reputation and did things the right way. I personally do not know him. Maybe he got greedy and decided $50,000 was the time to become a bad apple? Could be? A bank robber always has his first bank heist…Right? Let’s let due process run its course…He too may have his life ruined before a final verdict…Wasn’t to long ago a story came out that the prisons in Zimbabwe were the worst in the world and practically unlivable…He is in there now…Along with the land owner…
We are at a time in America where Cecil the Lion headlines over the fact that Baltimore Maryland’s rising murder rate is at an all-time high (not far from where I grew up) and the selling of baby parts, data breeches and personal invasion are at an all-time high? And they report this before National and International financial concerns us hard working Americans need to know? …Really?...Yes it’s so…This morning one of our nice liberal morning major network shows had this as the very first story? Yes before anything else?
My beautiful wife and I used to wake up in the mornings and play with our wonderful children and catch the news drinking coffee and being all American...As many of you would agree some of the greatest of times… Now with the misinformation and horrible news telecasts we have resorted to HDTV as we know the Cecil the Lion wont pop out and no more headlines of murders and mayhem in Chicago, and how all policemen are bad everywhere, and of course all the shenanigans of the political mess in America… And you get it… I could go on and on…
This isn’t about Cecil the Lion its more about where our priorities and interests have gone as Americans. And I don’t even want to go to the question what about Zimbabwe and poor Cecil? I have only one thing to say…Mugabe…

GK
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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: larcher]
      #268995 - 06/08/15 08:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinio...rticle&_r=0


The Opinion Pages | Op-Ed Contributor

In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions

By GOODWELL NZOU AUG. 4, 2015

Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.

So sorry about Cecil.

Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?

Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.

My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.

Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?

In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.
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Protesters have called for the death of the hunter who killed Cecil the lion. Credit Eric Miller/Reuters

When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.

A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.

When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.

Recently, a 14-year-old boy in a village not far from mine wasn’t so lucky. Sleeping in his family’s fields, as villagers do to protect crops from the hippos, buffalo and elephants that trample them, he was mauled by a lion and died.

The killing of Cecil hasn’t garnered much more sympathy from urban Zimbabweans, although they live with no such danger. Few have ever seen a lion, since game drives are a luxury residents of a country with an average monthly income below $150 cannot afford.
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Don’t misunderstand me: For Zimbabweans, wild animals have near-mystical significance. We belong to clans, and each clan claims an animal totem as its mythological ancestor. Mine is Nzou, elephant, and by tradition, I can’t eat elephant meat; it would be akin to eating a relative’s flesh. But our respect for these animals has never kept us from hunting them or allowing them to be hunted. (I’m familiar with dangerous animals; I lost my right leg to a snakebite when I was 11.)

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The American tendency to romanticize animals that have been given actual names and to jump onto a hashtag train has turned an ordinary situation — there were 800 lions legally killed over a decade by well-heeled foreigners who shelled out serious money to prove their prowess — into what seems to my Zimbabwean eyes an absurdist circus.

PETA is calling for the hunter to be hanged. Zimbabwean politicians are accusing the United States of staging Cecil’s killing as a “ploy” to make our country look bad. And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.

We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people.

Don’t tell us what to do with our animals when you allowed your own mountain lions to be hunted to near extinction in the eastern United States. Don’t bemoan the clear-cutting of our forests when you turned yours into concrete jungles.

And please, don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger.

Goodwell Nzou is a doctoral student in molecular and cellular biosciences at Wake Forest University.

A version of this op-ed appears in print on August 5, 2015, on page A19 of the New York edition with the headline: In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions. Today's Paper|Subscribe

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: larcher]
      #269002 - 06/08/15 11:27 PM

Excellent article...thx for posting

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Ripp]
      #269016 - 07/08/15 04:54 AM

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Excellent article...thx for posting

Ripp




thanks Ripp, this articles were emailed to me by my friend Dan Hunsaker, Tucson. He knows about lion.



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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: larcher]
      #269020 - 07/08/15 06:52 AM

Larcher,

You ever have the opportunity to hunt lion?
If so post a pic...

I was fortunate enough to hunt them once a few years back..would love to do it again one day...

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Ripp]
      #269025 - 07/08/15 07:58 AM

The mentality of the World has changed ,while Big Game Hunting was once an acceptable pastime years ago ,its amazing the amount of animosity towards it now ,practicality does not mean one thing, its all about emotion, based on the programming they have all received from the Media ,Hollywood ,Disney etc, its not by accident, there is always a subtle attack on hunting ,hunters etc Bambi ,Jurassic Park Movies etc which then goes into their subconscious ready to be dragged up at the opportune moment.People dont care one bit about the natives struggling to survive in countries like Africa ,they would rather see people get killed ,eaten ,for the sake of the animals .
You will have people coming out with the statement ''They should be killing people not animals '' ,its has to make you wonder .
At work someone started on about Cecil ,saying ''i like Lions alot, no one should be able to kill them '',i said to him ,''There are 5000 abortions every day on Earth and ''Doctors'' make a killing out of it in $$$$$$$$$$ '', he shut up straight away and changed the subject.
Whether the whole thing was a deliberate Beat up to take peoples minds off the TPP and a perfect opportunity to do so ,the same as the ridiculous carry on about the Confederate Flag ,as the powers that be, know how they can use the Emotions of the masses to keep peoples minds off more important things ,by just using the emotion based on one dead animal


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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: 500Boswell]
      #269038 - 08/08/15 03:16 AM

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The mentality of the World has changed ,while Big Game Hunting was once an acceptable pastime years ago ,its amazing the amount of animosity towards it now ,practicality does not mean one thing, its all about emotion, based on the programming they have all received from the Media ,Hollywood ,Disney etc, its not by accident, there is always a subtle attack on hunting ,hunters etc Bambi ,Jurassic Park Movies etc which then goes into their subconscious ready to be dragged up at the opportune moment.People dont care one bit about the natives struggling to survive in countries like Africa ,they would rather see people get killed ,eaten ,for the sake of the animals .
You will have people coming out with the statement ''They should be killing people not animals '' ,its has to make you wonder .
At work someone started on about Cecil ,saying ''i like Lions alot, no one should be able to kill them '',i said to him ,''There are 5000 abortions every day on Earth and ''Doctors'' make a killing out of it in $$$$$$$$$$ '', he shut up straight away and changed the subject.
Whether the whole thing was a deliberate Beat up to take peoples minds off the TPP and a perfect opportunity to do so ,the same as the ridiculous carry on about the Confederate Flag ,as the powers that be, know how they can use the Emotions of the masses to keep peoples minds off more important things ,by just using the emotion based on one dead animal




Exactly
the thing people need to or should realize is, its NOT the majority creating all this crap..but a small minority ...and agree..using this a a diversion for whatever else they are up to

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Ripp]
      #269181 - 12/08/15 11:11 AM

Seems odd that every time here in the states when the left does something outrageous something else pops up to squelch it.this time its selling baby parts for profit.suddenly its they killed Cecil.thought peta said all animals are equal?

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: ducmarc]
      #269196 - 12/08/15 11:10 PM

All animals are equal except when they need to fire up the crazies to get more money for the coffers..

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Ripp]
      #269215 - 13/08/15 11:26 AM

Gentlemen please.

The hype is standard bullshit. Everyone knows that.

But we need to remember that perception can often be worse than reality. The minority that would cause ethical and dedicated hunters to be perceived as bunch of bloodthirsty and trigger-happy spotlight-shooting morons are the ones that can quickly ruin it for everyone.

This is not a left versus right story.

This is most likely about some a-hole and his either unscrupulous or (possibly) socio-economically cornered/desperate outfitter combined with a Zimbabwean {HEAVY stress on the "quotes"} "landowner", and the questionability of shooting a collared lion on the border of a national park.

Anyone who is prepared to insert their name into such a description please do so.

And BTW, what is the accomplishment in shooting a Lion (or any other animal) that is generally accustomed to human presence? You can buy trophy heads on E-Bay for a lot less than the cost of a hunt.

If we as the hunting community can't or won't police ourselves then we need to accept and be prepared for someone else to do it.

Yes times have changed.

We need to remember that lest they change even more and not in our favor.


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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: Cazadero]
      #269344 - 17/08/15 09:28 PM

A balanced article from a surprising source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/world/...on-efforts.html

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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: xausa]
      #272353 - 30/10/15 04:19 AM

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Earlier this month it was revealed Mr Palmer will not be charged by Zimbabwean authorities over the killing.

The government said it would not prosecute the dentist as "all the papers were in order".




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Re: Any thoughts on the 'Cecil the lion' story? [Re: NitroX]
      #284942 - 07/07/16 10:24 PM

"Beyond Cecil the Lion: Trophy-Hunting Industry in Africa Explained

By AVIANNE TAN

Jul 31, 2015, 2:29 PM ET


This undated stock photo shows an elephant head with ivory tusks and other hunting trophies in a taxidermy store in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe.

The trophy hunting industry in Africa is receiving new attention as Zimbabwe officials are calling for the extradition of the American dentist who recently admitted to killing Cecil the lion, sparking worldwide outrage.

Walter Palmer, a Minnesota dentist, said in a statement earlier this week that he "deeply" regretted the pursuit of the early July hunt in Zimbabwe that "resulted in the taking of this lion." He added that he "had no idea" Cecil the lion was a "known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study."

"I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits," Palmer said in his statement. "To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted."

Though there is intense interest in Cecil's killing in particular, wildlife and conservation officials say hundreds of lions and other big-game animals -- some of them endangered -- are hunted, killed and brought back as trophies to the U.S. every year.

Trophy hunting expert Peter LaFontaine, who works as a campaigns officer for the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW), spoke to ABC News to explain the basics of trophy hunting and the ongoing controversies about the industry beyond the killing of Cecil the lion.

Cecil the Lion: New Details Emerge Into the Moments Before He Was Shot

Zimbabwe Calls for Extradition of American Hunter Who Killed Cecil the Lion

White House Petition to Extradite Cecil The Lion's Killer Exceeds 100,000 Signatures

What is trophy hunting?

Trophy hunting is the legal practice of selectively hunting wild game animals, usually larger animals and usually to take back home taxidermied parts of the animal such as the head or carcass for display as a "trophy," LaFontaine told ABC News. Poaching, on the other hand, is the illegal version of killing wild game.

"Trophy hunters usually bring back the skin, head, tusks or fur for display and to brag about to fellow hunting buddies," LaFontaine said.

Who goes trophy hunting?

"Trophy hunters are typically not going to be your average white-tailed deer hunter," LaFontaine said. "Most of the folks who do this are men from a wealthier subset. These are people who, for vacation, go to an African country and pay up to tens of thousands of dollars for the opportunity to kill a lion, rhino or elephant that they can bring back home."


In this undated photo provided by the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit, Cecil the lion rests in Hwange National Park, in Hwange, Zimbabwe.
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LaFontaine added that trophy hunting is controversial for the way some believe it repeats systems of colonialism.

"When the government tells a local man in Chad that he can't hunt but then allows a rich, white hunter from Texas to hunt, it's a really terrible message to send," he said. "It's colonialistic and sends mixed signals to locals who see hunting is OK when a rich, white guy does it but not OK when a local does it."

How much does trophy hunting typically cost?

Costs, which can include fees for permits, guides, equipment and travel widely vary but can go up to hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on the animal a hunter wants to kill, according to LaFontaine.

A $350,000 permit to hunt a rare black rhino was sold last December, international hunting organization Dallas Safari Club announced, adding that the permit was sold on behalf of the Government of the Republic of Namibia in full compliance with CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service protocols.

African Sky Hunting, a company that offers more typical safari hunting packages, sells 10-day elephant hunting packages in Zimbabwe for $14,600 for one hunter and $3,800 for each person who wants to observe the hunt.

Where do most hunters go for big-game?

Because larger game animals like elephants have been mostly "hunted out in northern African countries," LaFontaine said southern and eastern African countries, including Zimbabwe, South Africa and Namibia are popular destinations for trophy hunters.

He added that most hunters go on game parks on private land, or on game reserves designated by the government of the country in which one goes hunting.



Professional hunters react during a hunt for game at the Iwamanzi Game Reserve in Koster, in the North West Province, June 6, 2015.
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What animals are most popularly hunted?

African Sky Hunting offers packages for buffalo, elephants, lions, crocodiles and hippos, which are all popular large game for trophy hunters, according to LaFontaine, who added that white rhinos are also a popularly hunted animal.

What is the typical process one goes through to be able to trophy hunt?

"Typically, you would have to hire a guide who would be very familiar with the park or reserve you're hunting in," Lafontaine said. "They usually work with outfitters or you can hire an outfitter yourself, and they supply things like tents, the jeep you go out in and the equipment you need."

"You also need to get a permit from CITES, which is an international treaty that governs international trade of wildlife, to export the animal you want to bring back home," he said, adding that most outfitters and safari hunting companies are "full-service operations" that help with the paperwork for obtaining permits.

"To bring back certain animals to the U.S., you also need a permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service" LaFontaine said. "Unfortunately, lions are not listed under the Endangered Species Act, so you don't need a special permit to bring back lions."

How many animals are hunted every year?

Hundreds of large animals including lions, elephants and rhinos are hunted in African countries every year, LaFontaine said, adding that CITES keeps a database of permits given out to trophy hunters. However, he said he believes the numbers are a low estimate because of the poor record-keeping some countries have.

Between 2009 and 2013, parts of over 1,962 captive-bred African lions were imported to the U.S., according to a legal brief filed by the IFAW, along with other animal welfare organizations, with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service and obtained by ABC News.


This photo taken between 1920-1930 shows hunting trophies in Sudan, Africa.

Between 2003 and 2013, 15,518 African elephants were imported as sport-hunted trophies globally, and the U.S. accounted for about 7,500 of the trophies, according to the same brief.

The number of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish across the globe is, on average, about half the size it was 40 years ago, according to a report released by the World Wildlife Fund last October.

Exploitation, including hunting and fishing, was the biggest contributor to the drastic population decrease, the report said, describing hunting and fishing as “intentionally for food or sport, or accidentally, for example as bycatch."

The big hunting-conservation debate

Though many conservationists and wildlife advocates are calling for more limitations to be put on trophy hunting, especially the hunting of endangered species like lions, hunting advocates argue that the revenue the industry generates promotes conservation and the recovery of endangered species.

International hunting organization Dallas Safari Club (DSC) recently announced that in the past five years, "DSC has granted more than $5 million for various conservation, education and hunter advocacy efforts worldwide," much of which was "awarded for lion research and conservation initiatives."

DSC added that it was a financial supporter of lion conservation efforts by Oxford University, which was responsible for collaring and studying Cecil the Lion in Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe.

"In 2013-14, DSC awarded $20,000 in grants to Oxford [University] for lion initiatives in and around Ruaha National Park in Tanzania," the group said.

However, LaFontaine said that many wildlife advocates believe money generated by the trophy hunting industry doesn't actually go into the right hands.

"What happens in practice, most of the time, that money goes straight to corrupt government officials or outfitters and doesn’t actually wind up back in hands of local community where hunting goes on, and they then aren't incentivized to protect wildlife and conservation areas," he said.

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