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Waltherppk
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Ruger No 1 Safety Issue
      #267879 - 13/07/15 12:52 AM

I have been reading lots about people complaining about the safety on the No 1 and with the cartridges hanging up, on ejection.

I was at the SCI Convention in 2002 in Las Vegas and we came to the Ruger display. My hunting partner and I started looking at the No1's, as we both owned a couple of them at the time, and a gentleman from Ruger came up to us and introduced himself to us as the person in charge of the No 1's at Ruger. (I don't remember his name, looked for his card) He asked if we had any questions. I immediately brought it up to him on the issue of the cartridges hanging up on the safety upon ejection, his words were " I am not aware of any issues with our safety and cartridges hanging up on the safety. If you a problem send us a message and we will look into it." He handed us his card and quickly walked away.

My partner and I both sent messages to Ruger when we got back home with not even a reply back.

So by what I have been reading over the years, there is a problem with the safety and obviously other people must have complained also with no results like we got.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Waltherppk]
      #267884 - 13/07/15 02:08 AM

I've only had 2 Ruger #1's - neither had problems with ctg. hanging up on the extractor - but, I have heard others say they did.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: DarylS]
      #267888 - 13/07/15 04:22 AM

My #1 is chambered for the rimmed .303 British case and on ejection the rim hits the safety button but I don't remember any hanging up and stopping without being fully ejected from the rifle.
I suppose one of the larger rimmed rounds such as the 9.3x74r or the 450/400 3" may pose a problem as the rim is larger in diameter.
That would not be good while having something large and pissed off bearing down on you.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #267906 - 13/07/15 07:49 AM

Craig Boddington inadvertently shows the problem when ejecting a round from his 450/400 No. 1 in his Afrfican Rifles dvd. The case ejects, hits the safety and bounces back in! He then spends a little time clearing it.

I doubt that Ruger are not aware of the problem.

I had a new safety made for my No.1 450/400 and inletted into the tang.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Rockdoc]
      #268137 - 17/07/15 03:15 PM

Nice safety conversion Rocdoc!!

I agree with you on "I doubt that Ruger are not aware of the problem". Especially when you google "safety for Ruger #1" and read all the problems on the other Forums and when you get a big name like Craig Boddington pointing it out!

I currently own 10 Ruger #1's with my first one I bought in the late 1980's. I have had to modify the safeties on 7 of them, 223, .303 Brit, 375 H&H, 375 Ruger, 450/400, 416 Rem & 45-70. The other 3, 22-250, 25-06 & 30-06 were acceptable with only the 30-06, actually 0.030" below the loading groove.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Waltherppk]
      #268187 - 18/07/15 10:54 PM

Gentlemen,

I also saw spent cases or live cartridges hanging up on the safety slide after pulling down the lever and extracting the cases.
Calibers were .375 H&H Mag, .458 Win Mag and 404 Rimless (all Ruger No. 1 Tropcal) and in 270 Win.

Guns were purchased around 1990, and even then C. Boddington or Ross Seyfried wrote in an article about a Ruger No 1 custom in 470 N.E. that the safety slide was altered for preventing cases from jamming on the safety slide.

I cannot believe that Ruger is not aware of this fact, maybe the Ruger Quality staff do not testfire the rifles???

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Rolf

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Rolf]
      #269006 - 07/08/15 12:54 AM

I have a Ruger No.1 in 450/400 Nitro Express and experienced the rim on the cartridge hanging up in the safety.

I saw where some folks had changed out for a safety made by Trop Gun Shop. It costs $56.00 and it went in and fit like factory. It completely eliminated the hangup problem. The safety no longer hangs over the front attempting to grab the rim.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: AbitNutz]
      #269077 - 09/08/15 07:49 AM

I used to own a Ruger no1 tropical in 375h&h that had the same issue. I ended up selling it but if I had kept it I would have probably needs up filing that square edge so that the cases wouldn't catch on it.





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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: 202T]
      #269758 - 29/08/15 01:36 PM

Here you will see a ruger No1 in 9.3x74R catching many times with the safety. I would find it impossible for Ruger not to know they have this problem with rimmed cartridges with this model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELedPT--AmI

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: mchughcb]
      #269778 - 30/08/15 06:39 AM

I had that problem on 375H&H N01 and also on my 303B No1. I just filed the front of the safety catch on a angle sloping rewards. No more trouble. Why Ruger persist with that design has got me stumped.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Rule303]
      #271636 - 12/10/15 09:05 AM

Just picked up the Special Edition of "Single Shot" by Rifle magazine and there is a article on the Ruger #1. In the article they are saying that "The safety is designed to stop an ejected case for easy removal."

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Waltherppk]
      #271639 - 12/10/15 09:48 AM

Quote:

Just picked up the Special Edition of "Single Shot" by Rifle magazine and there is a article on the Ruger #1. In the article they are saying that "The safety is designed to stop an ejected case for easy removal."


That sounds like marketing BS to me. Why fit an ejector and then something to stop the case ejecting. The safety is a very poorly fitting piece of machining from my experience. i have six Ruger No1's at the moment and have sold a few others over the years. The slide is not shaped to the tang and kicks up at both ends.
I have modified mine by reshaping the safety so the ends don't kick up and filing the leading end back and bevelling it. It is then necessary to machine the underside of the tang to make the safety slide freely. Once done, the ejector works as it should, and will properly propel a 450-400 case free of the action and the shooters hand.
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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: LesLeeSpeed]
      #271642 - 12/10/15 01:17 PM

It seems to me that I read somewhere that as originally designed the safety could be rotated 180 degrees, and that in one position it stopped the ejected shell as described for the benefit of handloaders, and in the other position, the shells were freely ejected. Does anyone else remember this?

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: xausa]
      #271643 - 12/10/15 03:16 PM

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It seems to me that I read somewhere that as originally designed the safety could be rotated 180 degrees, and that in one position it stopped the ejected shell as described for the benefit of handloaders, and in the other position, the shells were freely ejected. Does anyone else remember this?


I've never seen or heard of that before. Certainly not in Australia anyway. I think you may be thinking of the Browning Model 78. It had a rotating deflector that would deflect the case to right or left.
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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: LesLeeSpeed]
      #271644 - 12/10/15 04:56 PM

Even the cheapest shotguns with a tang safety have a better one than that which Ruger has come up with on their No.1. It's an engineering disgrace and no amount of PR BS or defending is going to change that.

Of all types of firearms (single shot), an ejector that works every time without hindrence is a must.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: eagle27]
      #271728 - 15/10/15 10:47 AM

I have a #1 in .303 which experienced that issue until I took it apart and filed it right down; Ruger aren't aware of it?! I thought filing the catch was routine! With the abortion of a safety, the death grip forend fitting which, by the third shot, was 12" higher than the first, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the factory design and finish on my #1. Still, after winding back the forend retaining screw, I can now push a .311" 215gr RNSN Woodleigh pretty hard and with good accuracy, and spit cases right out of the way.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: cadet]
      #273028 - 11/11/15 02:40 PM

It isn't only a purely mechanical issue, it's a sonic issue as well. In close quarters, it is very easy to spook game by switching the safety off. It happened to me several times in Zimbabwe. Animals hate the metallic click...

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: DPhillips]
      #273630 - 20/11/15 10:30 AM

Just tilt the rifle clockwise a little as you open it and the spent case will fly out on the ground.

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Re: Ruger No 1 Safety Issue [Re: Ireload2]
      #273711 - 21/11/15 09:20 AM

Why offer an ejector as a feature at all if it doesn't function as intended?

I don't want an extractor only Ruger No1.

My doubles have ejectors and they work fine.

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