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bigboregame2014
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Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle
      #266122 - 09/06/15 03:03 AM

Hello Friends,
I own a Brno 7x57 (.275) mauser action full stock (Manlicher) rifle. I have recently purchased this rifle, and I want to install a scope. The butter knife bolt on the rifle may be an issue in installing a scope. Can anyone give me advise what scope, base & Rings should be installed for proper use. I am from India where hunting is banned since long. I am a member of state hunting team who help the state forest authority to eliminate the rogue animals specially leapord where Man animal conflict occurs.

Few pictures of the rifle.





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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bigboregame2014]
      #266129 - 09/06/15 05:07 AM

IMO EAW side mount would be the best choice because yours rifle bridges are in untouched condition:

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/Gun_S...gs#.VXXnqVLsFtQ

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #266149 - 09/06/15 10:13 AM

None on that rifle....too nice to drill and tap.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bouldersmith]
      #266156 - 09/06/15 03:16 PM

It's easy say no to scope buth truth is that most of us, sooner or later, can't anymore shoot without it. So IMO it's better to assembly scope mounts so that they do so little harm as possible to nice rifle.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #266159 - 09/06/15 06:46 PM

Igorrock is quite correct and you have obviously decided you need a scope. As to 'doing harm' to a particular rifle, anything you do is going to change that rifle for good but a rifle is a tool and it needs to suit both the job and you. Any changes such as mounting a scope should be practical and done to make the best use of the tool. High mounted scopes turn me cold and IMO are not best practice and do not make best use of the tool.

I was faced with a similar dilemma with my original Type A Oberndorf Mauser sporter when wanting a better aiming system than the open safari sights but not wanting to alter the bolt handle or flag safety, the latter being one of the safest in the business, and also not wanting to compromise the charging of the magazine with this 404 DG rifle. I opted for a single point dot sight mounted extremely low in a semi scout position, later replaced with a Leupold 2x EER scope on the same base. The open safari sights are still usable with the scope removed as the single piece Weaver bridge base I used is deeply U'd and does not hinder the use of the open sights.

Although EER scopes are a compromise, they do work well for fast close work and also extended range shooting and provide a good sighting platform as eyesight deteriorates through age or disease. There is now a range of these scopes available in different powers and even a vari-power. The same mount system allows the interchangeable use of a good selection of reflex sights if you ever wished to go down this line.
The semi-scout mount position is perfect for allowing unobstructed charging of the magazine with big cartridges.

No matter what scope mount you use you will have to drill and tap some holes. On your Brno using a reflex sight or EER scope I see it would be possible to install a base as I have on my Mauser bridging the gap between the receiver ring and the rear sight. I used a single tapped screw hole in the rear of my safari sight and drilled and tapped two screw holes on my receiver ring. In your case with the lighter recoiling rifle I would just glue the rear of the bridge mount to the receiver ring using the super strong Araldite epoxy glue available now. The stippling will ensure a good key for the glue which can still be easily removed at a later date if required without damaging the stippling and Brno logo ( a bit of heat and a brush will remove the glue from the stippling and logo on the receiver ring).

A small hole in the rear sight would not be noticeable and could become a locking screw for the dovetailed sight.


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bigboregame2014]
      #266175 - 09/06/15 09:25 PM

I understand your dilemma since I was faced with an analogous one several years ago. My rifle was identical with yours except for the caliber, which was 8X57IS. I reluctantly solved it by selling the rifle and buying one more suited for scope use.

Should you decide to proceed with the idea of mounting a scope, but still want to preserve the EAWrifle in as original a shape as possible, a side mount, such as EAW is the best solution, but you will have to mount the scope high enough to allow the bolt handle to clear, unless you are willing to modify it as well. There is no need to modify the safety, as it is ideal for use with a scope.

However, mounting the scope high enough to clear the bolt handle means that it will be too high in relation with the stock, making it difficult to aim with, particularly in a situation where speed is essential.

Finally, although 7X57 is a fine caliber, I question whether it is a good choice for use against thin skinned dangerous game, such as leopard. This would be another argument for selling or trading the rifle in favor of a more appropriate rifle and cartridge.


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: eagle27]
      #266176 - 09/06/15 09:26 PM

Nice rifle !
If mine I would go to a handmade claw mount, the rear base closely hand fitted to the unaltered rear bridge and soldered, the front one on a countered half banded support soldered on the barrel first step.
Indeed it would be better to choose a classic European scope and even better one with prismatic 70° rail under main tube.
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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bouldersmith]
      #266184 - 10/06/15 12:07 AM

Quote:

None on that rifle....too nice to drill and tap.




It might need to be understood that in many countries one can not just buy another rifle, or buy and sell at will, and what one has needs to do the job. Irrespective of the aesthetics.

Dorleac has some good ideas in his posts as do some others.

I wonder if mounting the scope off centre might not solve the bolt clearance and height problems.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #266188 - 10/06/15 02:15 AM

Quote:

Nice rifle !
If mine I would go to a handmade claw mount, the rear base closely hand fitted to the unaltered rear bridge and soldered, the front one on a countered half banded support soldered on the barrel first step.




I'm afraid this suggestion is overestimating the number of gunsmiths in India who are qualified to fit such a mount, let alone hand make one. There are precious few even in the far more firearms oriented United States.


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: xausa]
      #266214 - 10/06/15 01:00 PM


You might be better to look around for a later model of that same rifle. They had 19mm dovetails in their dainty little square bridges and are very easy to scope.

GG


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: GG375]
      #266265 - 11/06/15 06:24 AM

Drill&taper + custom weaver base and recknagel weaver rings. I'm using this combo on my mauser 98... I've got one ultradot 30mm reddot sight and one nikon monarch gold 1.5-6x42 illuminated 4a.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: JPBojinov]
      #266268 - 11/06/15 06:38 AM

Wheren't those rifles available with claw mounts and scope right from the factory - it is my
understanding they were. If so that would be the "appropriate" scope mounting system and not
degrade the value much - if not raise it. Nice rifle to be sure, it's your decision, you know
best your budget and systems available to you. JMHO --- John


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: John303]
      #266291 - 11/06/15 06:45 PM

G'Day Fella's,

BBG 2014, thank you for sharing these images with us!
Excuse my ignorance about these rifles but is that an original, Brno Model 21?

As "bouldersmith" stated!!!

Edited by Homer;
Well, I had a rethink.
If you were desperate to scope this rifle, I would have a mount made up, that fitted into the Rear Sight Dovetail and then extended back over the receiver ring. Kind of like a Scout Mount!
I would then use a long eye relief scope or maybe a red dot scope of some description....

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Edited by Homer (11/06/15 06:51 PM)


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Homer]
      #266310 - 11/06/15 10:49 PM

Yes I believe that rifle would be a Brno 21F (fullstock) - good thought on the scope ala scout type. --- John

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: John303]
      #266328 - 12/06/15 01:24 PM

What you have is a BRNO 22F. A small ring Mauser.They are mostly found with square bridges with integral 19mm dovetails for which there are several rings available. Yours is a standard Mauser 98 pattern with a beautifully checkered front bridge. It also appears to be in very good condition to excellent condition. Since it is not possible to mount a scope without drilling and tapping the bridges or the left receiver wall I would strongly suggest that you do not alter this valuable rifle.
You can probably pick up a beat up .303 SMLE to take care of nuisance animals. You can also consider selling the rifle to a collector , buying a suitable used scoped rifle and pocket the difference.


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #266334 - 12/06/15 04:44 PM

Wanabebwana, you write that this is specially valuable rifle for collector. It's true when talking about USA and Canada but in Europe those BRNO´s are not so rare. If you go and look german eGun, you could see them for sale now and then, thou not so often without scope and mounts. Prices are not so high, approximately some hundred euros. This rifle seems to be in very good condition so let's hope the owner will handle it with care but as I wrote before, it's not so easy to say NO for scoping that rifle in India where well made "to go" -rifles are no so common as in Europe and USA/Canada. In India, if you are a lucky quy, you could find much more rare rifles like old, pre-WWII made Rigbys etc. famous british makers treasures.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #266436 - 15/06/15 08:19 AM

Igorrock you state "...you could see them for sale now and then, thou not so often without scope and mounts".
Exactly my point. Condition is very important and altered rifles have little or no value to collectors. In Canada a 22F in very good condition sells for about $900CDN or $750US.My 2008 Standard Catalog of Firearms lists the 22F in VG condition at $1050US.I have never seen a .22F without dovetailed flat bridges so this would make this rifle even more desirable. Here is one for sale at Guns International for $3500US.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100532743

I would appreciate it if you could post a link to a site that sells these rifles for a few 100 Euros.


Edited by Wanabebwana (15/06/15 08:32 AM)


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #266461 - 15/06/15 04:04 PM

Quote:

"I would appreciate it if you could post a link to a site that sells these rifles for a few 100 Euros."



Here is link to german eGun -page. There you could find quite many different intresting weapons, sometimes BRNO -rifles too. Many members of this forum read it regularly:

http://www.egun.de/market/index.php

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #266560 - 17/06/15 01:04 AM

Thanks Igorrock. I found one BRNO 22F, with dovetail mounts,in 7X57, with added recoil pad,which reduces the collector value,for 850 Euros or $950 US. About same as in US for that version.
Could not find any with the Mauser 98 bridge profile which is much rarer.

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5436383#img


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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #266577 - 17/06/15 05:45 AM

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Could not find any with the Mauser 98 bridge profile which is much rarer


Like the other similar sites, you should go and look eGun always you remember. With that way you in some day will find some "rare birds"....

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bigboregame2014]
      #266667 - 19/06/15 01:28 AM

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: Ripp]
      #270391 - 12/09/15 02:39 AM

Hello friends,
Apology for late response from my side. was offshore for a long time. I am quite happy and impressed with the response you guys have given to this post. Well after going through each post I decided to let go my 7mm. Yes. I have sold the rifle to one of the collector in town and exchanged it with a Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 in .375. I am a happy owner of such a remarkable master piece. Thanks for your valuable advise here.

Now I need to replace the stock of my 375 and get a new one as want to give this rifle a healthy life. I tried looking for winchester factory contact but no luck. Also contacted few others. Any one here can show me the right direction to import a stock. Also what kind of walnut stock, Wood or synthetic.

This will be a great help.

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Re: Which Scope for Brno 7x57 Rifle [Re: bigboregame2014]
      #270428 - 13/09/15 12:04 AM

Change the stock? The two Pre-64 .375's I shot (both owned by Lester H. Hawkes at the time - 1973), were perfect, just as they came from the factory. They also came with 2 1/2X Lyman Alaskan Scopes.

Les had shortened one to 22" as his guide gun in Montana (back in the 50's) and the other was an unaltered factory rifle at 25" bl. unfired until 1973. I enjoyed that, checking Less's handloads for his other M70 in it - it loved them.

A friend now has the 'factory' rifle.

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