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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280444 - 07/04/16 03:30 AM

you will find this type of backsight for Mauser sporters om page 135 in John Speed ( Picture 245 )

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280454 - 07/04/16 06:34 AM

Here's a source in the USA.

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/express-sight-prod9640.aspx

Goggle has a list of them.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=express+s...ZF4OHjwSz66fQBA

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: DarylS]
      #280472 - 07/04/16 02:08 PM

There is alos the Sarco 1 fixed and two folding blades

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/mk10msr1fixed2foldinglearoundbottomvesexpresssight.aspx

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: DarylS]
      #280492 - 07/04/16 09:45 PM

Brownell's sights are from NECG, which in turn are from Recknagel, in Germany,

Here is my pre-WW I Mauser sporter, serial number 33554, caliber 9X57, showing its rear sight:

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: xausa]
      #280587 - 09/04/16 02:20 AM

Thank you for the impressive photos of your 9x57.
The shape of my barrel is straight and without recesses. This is due to the given form of the stock which I used as given "casting mold" for Lothar Walther. Were these straight forward barrels common for these rifles with intermediate actions ?

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280591 - 09/04/16 03:06 AM

No. That's what I meant when I wrote your barrel profile being different from any original Mauser, Oberndorf, commercial barrels. All the originals were "stepped". Most early ones are like the one shown above by Xausa, others like my 1933 vintage B in 7x57 on an intermediate action. No Mauser round barrel had a straight taper like your's. I guess, your stock contained a half-octagonal, ribbed barrel originally.

BTW, you seem to confuse "intermediate" and "transitional" Mauser actions. Those early small ring test actions like your's, still without the bolt sleeve lock and the safety firing pin, are called "transitional actions". "Intermediate actions" have a bolt about 5 mm shorter and a receiver ring correspondingly longer than the standard length M98 actions of the German military rifles and copies. Though some transitional actions are of intermediate length too, intermediate actions were used by Mauser on 7x57 and .275 rifles as made for Rigby, as well as Turkish M1903 and Peruvian M1909 military rifles in 7.65x53.
Mauser rear sight bases were not soldered on "saddles" like your's, but part of a sleeve/ring soldered over the barrel and closely fitted against a step. You can barely make out the seam just behind the rear sight base on my rifle, but not visible in a photo.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: kuduae]
      #280594 - 09/04/16 04:31 AM

Kuduae, thank you for your informations. What can be done to bring this project to a proper result ?
Lothar Walther produces ocagonal, but not half-octagonal barrels:

http://www.lothar-walther.de/brcms/bilddaten/bild2042_0.jpg

But, are they Mauser - like ?

Are there half-octagonal Barrels around elsewhere ?

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280599 - 09/04/16 05:02 AM

Those barrels muauserlike ? Never ever.

The close reproduction of an Oberndorf octogon to round barrel is a real challenge for the barrelmaker
and for your cash resources.

Kuduae sums it up perfect.
The barrel contour and the backsight base you have chosen are typical for so many cheap Suhl made Mauser rifles.

The action you have is a very attractive and rare one. It is worth every EUR to invest.

Edited by justcurious (09/04/16 05:04 AM)

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: justcurious]
      #280624 - 09/04/16 11:16 AM

The step is 'joint line of the sight and barrel" is visible on my monitor, Kuduae.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: DarylS]
      #280630 - 09/04/16 01:27 PM

Lancaster postet the following rifle in the "mauser rifles at auction" thread on 19.03.16.:


Would that barrel shape be an authentic option for my rifle ? That rifle would come to auction in Munich the next ten days. I could visit the auction house for a pre auction check of the measurements. But is that barrel shown on picture an original one ? In case the Barrel data would not comply with my Action an stock would it perform as sample for a barrel maker ?

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280639 - 09/04/16 07:26 PM

No, that's one of the "cheap Suhl made Mauser rifles" mentioned by justcurious. These were built post-WW1 by Suhl and Zella-Mehlis gunmakers post-WW1 on ex-military Gew98 actions. Definitely not a Mauser, Oberndorf, factory product! For a dimensional drawing of a Mauser Barrel, the shape as on my 7x57 B rifle, look at page 124, pic nr.214, of Jon Speed's "Mauser - Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles".

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: kuduae]
      #280667 - 10/04/16 03:52 AM

Kuduae,thank you very much for your further assistance. Pic. nr. 214 shows a "Lauf Type E ", but , I am afraid, will not fit im my Nr.1623 front shaft:

http://up.picr.de/22063616vf.jpg

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: DarylS]
      #280670 - 10/04/16 05:27 AM

Daryl, "joint line of the sight and barrel" seems to be a modern answer. As the exact form of the missing barrel is not known one could argue in line with modern architecture restauration practices. It could be better to bring the original parts to their best shine and glory and complement the missing with clearly perceptible new products. That would be a straightforward solution, quasi self- explanatory.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280675 - 10/04/16 07:01 AM

Same book, page 87, picture 143 you can see good foto of early m98 transition sporting rifle. It seems that this type barrel could fit to yours stock channel.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: Igorrock]
      #280709 - 10/04/16 08:19 PM

and page 407, pic 909 seems to be a similar early version (1905 ) with round barrel and tangent sight:

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #280719 - 11/04/16 01:31 AM

That's the same barrel shape like the one shown by Xausa. Note the step in front of the small reinforce. The sleeve of the rear sight abuts against this step. BTW, the tangent rear sight blades of the commercial rifles are smaller than the military ones. In fact they are the same size and interchangeable with the ones used by Mauser on their C96 "broomhandle" pistols and their smallbore .22 lr rifles. Just the graduations differ.
The photos of your barrel channel show black streaks, the traces of a former octagonal barrel. Apparently the inleting has been altered before. Perhaps the rifle had been rebarreled before to a barrel of different profile?
As it is near impossible to reproduce a half-octagonal, ribbed Barrel of the Mauser factory style now, you have to compromise in some way.
Either you use a round barrel of a correct Mauser style, E type or the one shown by Xausa, and alter the barrel channel accordingly by inletting and glass bedding,
Or you use a non-Mauser barrel profile that fits your barrel channel as it is now,and live with it.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: kuduae]
      #283227 - 02/06/16 02:49 AM

Progress Report 2:








The result is imo accetable. It is not the original shape, but it did not intend to copy the original. Reasons discussed above. Hopefully it will work in our Bavarian woods on not to far distances and not at marginal visibility.

Edited by MichaelSchwarz (02/06/16 03:40 AM)

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
      #283231 - 02/06/16 03:45 AM





two more fotos

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