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Rothhammer1
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: MotelAlpha]
#315106 - 09/04/18 12:55 AM

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Rothhammer1]
#318019 - 14/07/18 05:04 AM

Update to original Simson .405 post: Engraved Stock oval added:

A good match with the coin finish receiver:

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Edited by crshelton (15/07/18 12:22 PM)

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rigbymauser
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#318085 - 15/07/18 02:29 AM

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Rigby,
You mentioned my 1886 .45-90. May I ask how you knew I have one?

We have corrosponded on AR a few times. My name there is 'jens poulsen'.

Thanks for sharing all the pictures of your .405cal double. A danish member here named 'Leo' owns a nice .405cal double made by a Hamborg gunmaker. Using Hornady factory ammo we have measured the velocity to 730 m/sec which is a bit stiff but regulates well. The .405win is a pigbuster and everythingelsebuster..lol.

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rigbymauser
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: rigbymauser]
#318086 - 15/07/18 02:31 AM

...beautilful rifle. Lovely piece to carry and to own.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: rigbymauser]
#318088 - 15/07/18 05:28 AM

I have posted pics of my 1925 Joseph Manton .405 double in the Archives section. Here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=260519&Main=260336#Post260519

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rigbymauser
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: OahuKaneohe]
#318089 - 15/07/18 05:44 AM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=220213&an=0&page=0

Another nice .405 cal double with danish ownership...

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: rigbymauser]
#318091 - 15/07/18 06:33 AM

As Jens, you have a tag line that always makes me smile - the hunter on the toilet mistaken for a moose.
Moose and bear are on the bucket list for my .405 double; my 1895 .405 has already taken big buff (Cape and water).

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#318094 - 15/07/18 12:20 PM

"Using Hornady factory ammo we have measured the velocity to 730 m/sec "

mm, by my calculations, that would be 2395 fps. Please correct me if I mis calculated.

Hornady claims 2225 fps for their 300 grain .405 ammo. My chronograph tests show Hornady Factory 300 grain ammo at 2225 to 2250 fps. I keep my 300 grain hand loads in that range so as to shoot to the same point of aim as factory Hornady. My .405 double was regulated with Hornady factory 300 grain ammo.

In all my load research, 2400 fps for 300 grain .405 bullets is as fast as has been loaded and reported.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#318099 - 15/07/18 06:11 PM

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"Using Hornady factory ammo we have measured the velocity to 730 m/sec "

mm, by my calculations, that would be 2395 fps. Please correct me if I mis calculated.

Hornady claims 2225 fps for their 300 grain .405 ammo. My chronograph tests show Hornady Factory 300 grain ammo at 2225 to 2250 fps. I keep my 300 grain hand loads in that range so as to shoot to the same point of aim as factory Hornady. My .405 double was regulated with Hornady factory 300 grain ammo.

In all my load research, 2400 fps for 300 grain .405 bullets is as fast as has been loaded and reported.

I know the owner of the .405win we chronographed. I will Contact him to post. It was me who shot through the chronograph. We used that Hornady ammo with Theodore Rosevelt on it. I knew when I saw the numbers they were high. Too high for my liking even for in an interwar period doublerifle of a german make. Had been 670-690 m/sec it would have been good.

Your calculation are right on!.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: rigbymauser]
#340238 - 19/04/20 12:27 AM

It has been too long with no update on .405 DR.
This red deer hind was taken on a cull hunt spring of 2019 at about 50 yards with 300 grain Barnes bullets:

This beauty was shot just west of Corpus Christi, Texas on a private ranch owned by an oil company. The ranch game manager estimated it weighed 300 pounds. The coastal Bermuda grass was in great shape.
The deer was also in great shape and my family loves the meat as well as elk venison.

After that we drove to Hondo, Texas to hunt cow elk on the Action Outdoors Adventures exotic ranch. Recent rains made for very thick cover and difficult hunting conditions as you can see as my guide was pointing to a cow elk deep in the green maze. I did not get a shot, but did see many large and small exotic species from little goats and sheep to water buff, Bison, and Kudu. It was like hunting in a free range Zoo!

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#347981 - 16/12/20 05:18 AM

Sad that Bob is no longer with us, what a great guy to know. He built for me a wonderfully fine 577 BPE with his fine attention to detail. I have what Marie said was his last build, its a 20gauge DR with fully rifled barrels on a nice Mercury action. I will probably be selling or trading it as I am getting too old to shoot all of my doubles. PM me if any of you brothers are interested in a Bob Hynden (Bird hunter50) well made DR.

Fred

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: MotelAlpha]
#347984 - 16/12/20 08:35 AM

Action Outdoors Adventures is also no longer with us.

Richard died this year from complications related to his case of Covid-19

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: tinker]
#347987 - 16/12/20 09:46 AM

Tinker,
Yes, sorry to see Richard go. I have hunted the AOA many times and taken a lot of game there - good times! Aussie friends came up to hunt there a few times and they all took all the game they wanted to shoot.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#347988 - 16/12/20 11:04 AM

We only really have a few true good friends, most are acquaintances'. I've lost all of mine except one. Bob and I became good friends when he was building my 577. His wife said she was glad we didn't live closer. Stay safe out there, this getting old sucks.
Fred

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: MotelAlpha]
#368978 - 05/09/22 01:55 AM

Tinker,
Action Outdoors is still in the family.
They just held an opening day dove hunt (September 1, 2022).

I did not make it down for the hunt as the weather is still 100+ , but cooling, and I am now getting out to do repairs and maintenance on my place. Drought finally broke with a 3 inch rain and now the grass is growing again. A mixed blessing.

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#371621 - 20/11/22 03:43 AM

Since this thread has been quiet, I will post a pic of my .405 DR in the case just to keep things active:

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#371623 - 20/11/22 04:16 AM

Looking just GREAT!!
Nice piece of walnut on that one.

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: DarylS]
#371829 - 27/11/22 01:25 PM

Daryl,
Thanks - that piece of exhibition quality wood was the first thing that caught my eye.
Later, the handling and fit was good. I did have to have it regulated by Aaron Little though to bring the accuracy up to the level of the wood. Now it groups well at 50 yards and more.
On my first hunt with it it smacked down a feral hog at about 40 yards - one shot and done.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
#372720 - 29/12/22 01:29 AM

What a GREAT gun!

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: bstrick]
#372722 - 29/12/22 04:07 AM

The flame has almost a quilted appearance, as-in a cross. Lovely.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: DarylS]
#373795 - 03/02/23 11:29 AM

As this thread has been dormant for awhile, and has drifted a bit since 2015 so I thought I might liven things up a bit with a couple pictures of another .405 Win Double Rifle. Please excuse the poor photos, Winter afternoon light is a hinderance.

A little Belgian .405 from unknown maker, proof date code 1926. Sourced from Champlin/George Caswell some years ago.
25 1/2" barrels and a svelte 6 lbs 10 oz with pristine bores.
14 3/8" LOP to a checkered wood butt.

Seems likely to have been brought here after WWII?
- Mike

ADDED: better light pictures buttstock wood

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: 3DogMike]
#373796 - 03/02/23 12:18 PM

Well, that would be a lively handler with "some" recoil.
Your rifle, Mike? How's she shoot?

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: DarylS]
#373800 - 03/02/23 01:12 PM

Hi Daryl,
Yes, my rifle. Don't shoot it much as I have more enjoyment with vintage Brit black powder express rifles.
Seems to recoil about like a light 9.3x74R; not punishing, but gets your attention if wearing only a thin shirt in Summer.

Right's and left's standing rest at 50 yards run about 3"….the groups widen after enough shots that "the fun has worn off"

Occasionally take it after bear ,but no luck on those days what with iron sights and self imposed range limitations.
- Mike

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: 3DogMike]
#373802 - 03/02/23 01:14 PM

Tks Mike.

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