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bonanza
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Ultimate big bore: 50BMG
      #26304 - 15/02/05 03:11 AM

This round has become popular in the US for men with small genitalia (just kidding). Has anyone other than me had the change to "squeeze" off a round on one of these puppies? It is a memorable moment to say the least!


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new_guy
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: bonanza]
      #26307 - 15/02/05 06:56 AM

Yes, I shot one a year or so back and was able to hit accurately at about 400 yards. But I only shot it once...

The recoil wasn't that bad (it had an enormous muzzle-break) but after I shot it, I tried to cycle the bolt open and couldn't.

The guy that owned it (friend of a friend) said "Oh yea, you have to hammer the bolt open with a heavy object." Then he took a rock and did such.

He was shooting - what he claimed - was military surplus ammo.

I tried to explain to him that this fact, along with the heavily cratered primers, were indications of excessive pressure and that he shouldn't shoot the ammo anymore.

Well, not only did he think that he knew better - and although I can't speak to his genitalia - he seemed to fit the bill as imply and obviously had more money than sense!

And I suspect that he's still shooting it...

And hammering the bolt open with rocks...

Apparently Darwinism does exist...

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bonanza
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: new_guy]
      #26311 - 15/02/05 08:34 AM

The one I shot was a beautifull McMillian with a 20x tatical scope. Again the recoil was not any more than my 470 NE. I did use a sissy bag to get my eye away from the scope.

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Doc52
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: bonanza]
      #26317 - 15/02/05 11:16 AM

Bonanza,

I'm Clark7781's Dad. I have a Armalite AR-50 that my son and I plink with. It's sure is a Hoot to shoot! Clark is working to get a big bore shoot together for sometime in May down in Virginia. If I remember correctly, I think you were involved in the discussion in the double rifle forum. If you plan on attending, I'll be bringing the AR-50 with me so everyone will be able to take some shots. Hope to see you there!

Doc52

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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: Doc52]
      #26325 - 15/02/05 01:47 PM

My friend and I used his home made dropping block single 50 BMG to shoot rock chucks



This was shot at about 250 yards. Impressive? Not when you consider the rock chuck we shot from the same setting with a 22-250 Ackley improved would have a required a sponge and a mop to pickup.

Doc52 does this mean I don't want to shoot your AR50? Of course not. It just means the 22-250 Ackley Improved is a better rock chuck killer than a 50BMG! Wouldn't want to hunt buffalo with the Ackley.



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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: bonanza]
      #26332 - 15/02/05 04:06 PM

I have a friend who also has an AR-50 and have shot it several times on our 700 yd. range.
Recoil not bad at all, however the blast from the brake will clean off benches on both sides.
Pull is much too long and I have a problem getting up to the 42X scope but can usually keep milsurp on a 12" target at that range.
We trade out shooting each other's 50's, he likes to shoot my .500-3" BPE DR.

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Karl
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: bonanza]
      #26364 - 16/02/05 03:08 AM

Bonanza, regards the name of the thread the 50BMG is a fine weapon, but right at the very bottom end of the bigbores they belong to.

The Ultimate in the personal weapon shoulder fired anti material category are the 20mm's, including the old anti tank rifles(solothurn, lahti etc.).
These have to be lugged by their poor owners by handle, wheels or sled, weighing usually 50-100lbs, and achieving up to 40,000ftlbs to the 50BMG's 13,000 or so.

Now that's genitalia material.

The 50BMG can be carried out of the car to the shooting bench, set up, and fired by a 14 year old girl.

Karl.

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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: Karl]
      #26383 - 16/02/05 09:59 AM

Some shooters, of which I am one, seem to see the 50 BMG as the 22 Hornet of the big stuff while others see them as the ultimate big bore rifle cartridge.

Mike

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Doc52
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: DoubleD]
      #26385 - 16/02/05 11:21 AM

DoubleD,

I guess that rock chuck in the picture was shot by the 22-250. because if it was shot by the 50bmg you problably would just be holding what was left of the tail! Hope to see you at the shoot in May or whenever the date will be. I'll have plenty of rounds for everyone to get some shots!

Regards, Doc

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DoubleD
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: Doc52]
      #26389 - 16/02/05 12:07 PM

Nope, that little crease across the neck of the chuck that my friend is holding is the 50 cal hit. Like I said it would have taken a sponge and a mop to round up the chuck hit with 22-250.

There is kind of a interesting story that goes with shooting that chuck with the 50. It took my friend to two shots to hit it.

The chuck was laying on the second story ledge of the old house in the back ground. We were shooting from a portable shooting table at 250 yards. My friend aimed in and took a shot and missed. I was watching the shot with binoculars and called his shot 4 inches high. Everybody groaned and one of the other guys asked "how the heck can you tell the shot was 4 inches high?" I answered "Because I can see the mountain behind the house through the hole he made."

My friend looked through the scope and he said, "Yeah I can see the hole through the scope." He used that hole as reference and made the hit. At the hit every one called it a miss. I called it as hit as I saw the spray. The chuck never moved a muscle.

When we went up and checked the chuck one of my other friends was looking at the two holes. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a little tape measure and measured the ctc of the two holes---exactly 4 inches.

My friend who was doing the shooting laughed and said "in all the years we have been varmint hunting together that's the first time he ever go that right!" (He's right)

My Friend also shot a Whitetail deer with the gun. It just dropped in it's track. No blood shot meat.






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davem3
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: DoubleD]
      #26390 - 16/02/05 12:28 PM

DoubleD - Do you have a picture of the rifle?

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DoubleD
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: davem3]
      #26395 - 16/02/05 02:41 PM

Yes, somewhere, with the whitetail picture. Let me look around.

Found it. Oops, my mistake Mule deer not a white tail



He hadn't built a forearm for it yet. It's still in the white.



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Karl
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: DoubleD]
      #26417 - 16/02/05 11:11 PM

DD,
What are the specs for that rifle. Barrel length and weight etc.

Also can I ask what bullet and velocity was used in each case?

Karl.

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Jeffeosso
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: bonanza]
      #26524 - 19/02/05 01:47 AM

for hunting, the bmg is a "toy" in most cases...

the reason being is MOST people can't take the recoil of a full load, in a gun that weighs under 30# with a huge brake.

for what it's worth, the bmg i usually shoot is a bullpup at 26# with a a brake.. recoil is far less than my 500 jeffe-ry... without the brake, it's amazing.

in any event, hunting (stalking) with a bmg is a exercise in stamina... and swapping the gun around with friends.


I think that in defining the ultimate big bore, we ought to lay around some parameters.. as the 700xbmg improved is FAR more "ultimate" than the measely .510 bullet!!

so, let's say
under 15#
no brake
iron sights
hunting barrel (25 and under)
heavy SD bullets
perfer to be under 12#
should be a repeater and/or quick to reload if single


jeffe

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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: Karl]
      #26528 - 19/02/05 06:26 AM

Karl, sorry for not responding earlier, just noticed your post.

It's not my gun and it has been about 10 years since I played with it.

The Barrel was made from a Gi Surplus Machine gun barrel. I don't know its length. I can tell you the Muzzle brake is a direct copy o f the KDF brake and is 4 inches long...and it works just well as those big tank gun brakes.

The main ammuniton we were using was Dominican GI ball. We did use some tracer one time in it and after that we were real carfull where we shot that gun. That tracer round bounced 3 or 4 times out across the Texas pan handle for long ways. What was scarey was that it bounce over the hillside we were shooting into.



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Karl
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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: DoubleD]
      #26558 - 19/02/05 11:28 PM

DD,
Tracer certainly bounces doesn't it? You don't realise what these rounds are doing until as you say you see them skipping over a thousand yards like rocks on a pond.

I was mainly asking in relation to the damage on the game. If it was ball that makes sense. I have never used the 50BMG on animals but would imagine a .510 hunting bullet or even one of the spitzers like the hawk bullets would be a lot more ruinous to a deers body.

Regards,
Karl.

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Re: Ultimate big bore: 50BMG [Re: DoubleD]
      #26683 - 23/02/05 09:10 AM

Cool story DoubleD, wish I was there, maybe next time!
Regards,Doc52
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