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AngelRod1
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458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav?
      #26242 - 13/02/05 04:39 PM

I finally was able to fire the supposed "shoulder breaking" and "that Round will hurt you" 458 Lott! I aimed and fired the monsterous round and guess what-- what's the Big Deal?
I was rocked a bit but I have to admit what a let down. I was in total control and the dispersion of the shock wave was felt ( and it was a great feeling!) but much to the dismay of my Gunsmith who will be building this rifle for me, it didn't affect me as it did him. He is a bit smaller in the frame category but I'm only 5'7" feet tall and solid so perhaps there lies the differance. I'm happy with my decision and I'm pleased to be part of the DRG Big Bore Society. I have my 375 H&H and soon my 458 Lott. The next step is to make the dream of hunting Africa a reality.

Angel

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475Guy
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: AngelRod1]
      #26254 - 13/02/05 11:55 PM

Attaboy! Shooting big stuff is all in the mind. If you don't mind the pounding, you'll just have that shiteating grin from ear to ear. My Ruger did pound me a bit and I just added one of those recoil thingies and some weight to the forearm to balance it out. Just remember that shooting it just once ain't enough. There are some days that no matter what I do, it just pounds me and the other times, it was exhiliarating.

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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: AngelRod1]
      #26259 - 14/02/05 01:49 AM

Once it is "your" rifle and you get it on the bench and start working up loads she will kick a bit more and especially if it is not shooting well

Mike

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SteveM
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: 475Guy]
      #26262 - 14/02/05 03:51 AM

475Guy

How do you like your Ruger 458 Lott? I have one as well and an enjoying it however it has one troubling problem. Occasionally I get a misfire. It dents the primer but not enough to ignite. It doesn't happen often but enough to make me lose some confidence in the gun and I have a Cape Buffalo hunt booked in October. I had some bad brass from Hornady which I thought was the problem but it still seems to be occurring with some new replacement brass. I'm also playing around with different primer depths but was wondering if you have had any of the same problems.

Thanks

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475Guy
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: SteveM]
      #26295 - 15/02/05 12:21 AM

I have one of the first run of RSM's in 458 Lott and it seemed to have a slighter tighter chamber and have never had problems with factory or handloads. You might check out what your chamber dimensions are just in case. Also, you just might as well see if the firing pin spring needs replacing (maybe a factory warranty fix?) I still dream of bigger stuff but nothing fits me right out of the box like the Rugers.

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SteveM
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: 475Guy]
      #26308 - 15/02/05 07:09 AM

475Guy

I may have found the problem. I took the bolt apart and found a couple loose metal fragments on the firing pin when I pulled it out. I'm guessing these fragments are keeping the pin from going completely forward at times which would explain why it's so sporadic. If not I'll take it back for warrenty.

Appreciate the response.

SteveM

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cr500
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: AngelRod1]
      #27736 - 13/03/05 05:22 PM

I agree 100% with what you say about the Lott not being the super hard kicking ,make you nose bleed,know you sensless cartridge. Yes it kicks ,A LOT ,but not overly so. I can honestley say that I dont flinch with the Lott ,I,m not scared of firing it. It would be my upper limit though for controlable shooting. I have used a 460 Weatherby and it was too much for me.

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ThomasEdwards
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: cr500]
      #27741 - 13/03/05 09:16 PM

...i have a .458wm and barely notice the recoil...

...have heard that the .458 lott was developed to be the round that the .458wm was supposed to be...and that the .458wm was supposed to replicate the ballistics of the .470ne...

...question: how does the recoil of the .458 lott compare with the recoil of the 470ne?...and, if different, why?...heavier dg?...casing size?...headspace?...

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vladimir
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: AngelRod1]
      #27744 - 14/03/05 12:24 AM

Angelrod1,

I too was told that the Lott would "hurt me". First time I fired my CZ with the full Lott load I felt a lot of recoil but, I also had a smile on my face. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had expected.

I do agree with one other posted that I too have likely reached my limit of controlability with the Lott, but I really don't think I need anything bigger anyway.

Enjoy your rifle.

-Vlad

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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #27751 - 14/03/05 03:10 AM

Here's an article link about a guy who built the 470 MBOGO--in the article he has some comparison charts of some of the different big bores-recoil being one of them--for the lott use the 2nd 450 Ackeley load---the lott is pretty impressive across the board IMO in all his charts--it's a good read too---chris

http://www.470mbogo.com/BigBores/BigBores.html

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ThomasEdwards
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: csutton7]
      #27763 - 14/03/05 01:49 PM

...excellent article...thanks for posting...

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Minkman
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #28577 - 30/03/05 03:45 AM

I love my CZ American Safari Lott!!!!!

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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: Minkman]
      #28583 - 30/03/05 05:30 AM

I love it when folks say the Lott doesn't kick! Try shooting it prone, bent over shooting under some brush, resting on the side of a tree, or in various field position..You cannot believe the number of folks that come on Safari with guns they cannot shoot, and end up using our 375 after a bloody nose or ringed eye..those safaris usually end in simi disaster after a few bad incidents, then they finish with a 30-06 and 220 gr. solids and things come together somewhat..

It amazes me how many never hunt with the big bores, but have them for bragging rights...Sure you can shoot anything standing on your hind legs at the range..And tell me honestly that you have no more concern for recoil with a lott than you do a .222, if so then the Lott is for you...Some folks can and do use any big bore successfully, but they are few.

Under the above circumstances the 416 and 404 are pretty much my limit and I can shoot them without concern from any position, but I have hunted with the big bores a lot and can shoot them, but I have to say self, you know I always call myself self, self I sez, don't flinch this one!! I also shoot a .470 but I load it down to 2020 FPS, and surprisingly it still hammers Buffalo..

Just from someone who cut his teeth on big bores, has chronic bursitas in neck and shoulders from years of hunting and shooting dangerous game with all of the big bores....What I am saying is to recognize your limits on recoil, shooting a gun that will give one a flinch isn't all that smart IMO...and it does not take a 600 N.E. to kill and elephant or buffalo, a 375 will do that very well indeed...a 416 even better, after that its mostly ho hum IMO.

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Will
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: atkinson6]
      #28589 - 30/03/05 06:27 AM

Ray,

I think there is limit for most folks, including me, that can get "used to" about 5,000 ft-lbs or so of recoil (470, 416's, etc.). Beyond that it is just too fearsome.

When I had my Lott I was shooting at 500gr/2300 fps, and even though the energy jumps only to 5,800 ft-lbs, it was one nasty dude. Yeah, I didn't notice it when hunting, but it was bad news at the range, even shooting off-hand.

That's why I want to try the 458 WM, once again. If I can get 2150 fps with a 500 gr. solid, out of a relatively lightweight Mod. 70 and still duplicate the old NE rounds, I'll be happy, if not satisfied!



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nitro476
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: cr500]
      #28841 - 03/04/05 02:12 AM

I do not like the 460 or 416 Weatherby rounds. I helped a buddy sight in his 460 and it was a very unpleasant ordeal! Every time I pulled the trigger it felt like I was hit in the head with a rubber mallet!

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nitro476
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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? 470ne Comparison [Re: Will]
      #28842 - 03/04/05 02:18 AM

Now come on Ray, we all know that the physical ailments you suufer are not from shooting but from carrying all those heavy bags of money you have earned!!!

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Re: 458 Lott 2 Hav or Not 2 Hav? [Re: AngelRod1]
      #28954 - 05/04/05 02:58 PM

The 458 Lott is a great round and I love it. Depending on the rifle and load it can vary from nice to a real handful. My first experience firing the Lott was with my bone stock Ruger #1 w/iron sights and full factory 500 gr loads. That combination got your attention real quick! It was way more than the 416 Rigbys I was used to shooting. The #1 has a reputation of accentuating recoil and the stock "pad" is crap. The full Lott loads in this rifle did indeed recoil. You got a little "stinger" running down your arm after shooting it!

With a scope and a slip on pad the #1 became much more friendly. With 450gr loads it was fun! I recently acquired a Ruger RSM in 458 Lott and a it is definitely more user friendly! I would say the felt recoil of the RSM is at least 15% less than the #1. With reduced loads I have shot ground squirrels and rock chucks with great results...you know you have shot a big bore but are NOT pounded. With full 500 gr loads it is still very controllable. However I would do field position contortions VERY carefully with full loads!

John

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