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TOBY458
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Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa
#260799 - 20/02/15 01:41 PM

Do any of you have any experience hunting Cape Buff in SA? It appears you can do this hunt for quite a bit less than other African destinations. Thoughts?

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: TOBY458]
#260804 - 20/02/15 05:32 PM

I haven't hunted in South Africa for cape buffalo. But would have said the prices there are MUCH HIGHER than elsewhere in Africa.

Plus the likelihood the beast is in a fenced area and not very wild. One often sees outfitters also posting photos of the bull that is "for sale".

To each their own, but I prefer to hunt Cape Buffalo in wild places in the wild.

Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Namibia are often cheaper than Tanzania.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: NitroX]
#260842 - 21/02/15 01:16 AM

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I haven't hunted in South Africa for cape buffalo. But would have said the prices there are MUCH HIGHER than elsewhere in Africa.

Plus the likelihood the beast is in a fenced area and not very wild. One often sees outfitters also posting photos of the bull that is "for sale".

To each their own, but I prefer to hunt Cape Buffalo in wild places in the wild.

Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Namibia are often cheaper than Tanzania.

Agree totally with John..this has been my experience as well..same can be said for other species as well such as elephant...

Further agree..much rather hunt them in the wild than in a fence..but again, each to their own..

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: Ripp]
#261008 - 23/02/15 12:40 PM

Now that the internal fences are down between Kruger Nat Park and the Greater Kruger properties - I would suggest that most of the Greater Kruger hunts are just as wild as anywhere else. Yes the trophy hunts are exxy - $25-$28k seems to be a regularly quoted figure. But those daggaboy hunts go from around $11-$15 by the looks of it. If you do your research I think you could get a very good hunt with a great success rate.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: TOBY458]
#261014 - 23/02/15 03:48 PM

I hunted South Africa for Cape Buffalo in 2006. (it was my first safari)

It was the biggest mistake and waste of money in all my years of hunting.

Among other problems, what the outfitter had described to me as his "concession" turned out to be leased access on a tiny property with a single resident herd of buffalo.

Talking to people, this is a pattern that you hear about a lot.

I've taken two bulls in Zimbabwe since then.

Go to Zim or Mozambique or Tanzania and hunt a real wild bull. Shooting one out of inventory that was purchased from a breeder and brought in on a truck (complete with ear tag) is not really hunting if you ask me.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: Cazadero]
#261057 - 24/02/15 03:57 AM

That's kind of the jist I got as well. I was speaking with Patrick De Beer with Mugabe Safaris, and he said he operates on 13000 acres and his herd is "free ranging". He also said that his herd are born and bread on the property, and are not imported in for any specific hunt.
All total with air fair and transfers, a 7 day hunt would run around $18K US. This is somewhat cheaper than I've seen on hunts elsewhere. I would really love to go to Tanzania and kill 2 buffalo on one trip, but the total cost on those hunts are $30k plus.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: TOBY458]
#261058 - 24/02/15 03:59 AM

BTW, John

Could you move this over to African Hunting? I didn't mean to put it in the Australian hunting forums.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: TOBY458]
#261059 - 24/02/15 04:01 AM

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... with Mugabe Safaris

IS THIS FOR REAL ??? !!!

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: NitroX]
#261086 - 24/02/15 10:15 AM

Mugaba is what I meant. Do you have any history with these guys???

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: TOBY458]
#261116 - 24/02/15 10:07 PM

No. Just thought no sane or reputable outfitter would call themselves Mugabe Safaris.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: Cazadero]
#261139 - 25/02/15 08:25 AM

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I hunted South Africa for Cape Buffalo in 2006. (it was my first safari)

It was the biggest mistake and waste of money in all my years of hunting.

Among other problems, what the outfitter had described to me as his "concession" turned out to be leased access on a tiny property with a single resident herd of buffalo.

Talking to people, this is a pattern that you hear about a lot.

I've taken two bulls in Zimbabwe since then.

Go to Zim or Mozambique or Tanzania and hunt a real wild bull. Shooting one out of inventory that was purchased from a breeder and brought in on a truck (complete with ear tag) is not really hunting if you ask me.

Just because there are lots of these operators in South Africa - doesnt mean that they are ALL the same!!

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: Matt_Graham]
#261148 - 25/02/15 01:37 PM

I probably just need to quit all this Africa talk and go hunting with you Matt Graham! I know those big ole water buffalo are not in a fence.

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: Matt_Graham]
#261161 - 25/02/15 07:12 PM

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I hunted South Africa for Cape Buffalo in 2006. (it was my first safari)

It was the biggest mistake and waste of money in all my years of hunting.

Among other problems, what the outfitter had described to me as his "concession" turned out to be leased access on a tiny property with a single resident herd of buffalo.

Talking to people, this is a pattern that you hear about a lot.

I've taken two bulls in Zimbabwe since then.

Go to Zim or Mozambique or Tanzania and hunt a real wild bull. Shooting one out of inventory that was purchased from a breeder and brought in on a truck (complete with ear tag) is not really hunting if you ask me.

Just because there are lots of these operators in South Africa - doesnt mean that they are ALL the same!!

VERY VERY FEW outfitters offering free range, wild cape buffalo hunting anywhere in South Africa. And usually at a price twice that of elsewhere.

How many border Kruger? Six or so? And bulls out of a National Park, well they are used to people photographing them ...

Matt, Which Kruger boundary park outfitter are you referring to?

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Re: Cape Buffalo Hunting In South Africa [Re: NitroX]
#261183 - 25/02/15 11:20 PM

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I hunted South Africa for Cape Buffalo in 2006. (it was my first safari)

It was the biggest mistake and waste of money in all my years of hunting.

Among other problems, what the outfitter had described to me as his "concession" turned out to be leased access on a tiny property with a single resident herd of buffalo.

Talking to people, this is a pattern that you hear about a lot.

I've taken two bulls in Zimbabwe since then.

Go to Zim or Mozambique or Tanzania and hunt a real wild bull. Shooting one out of inventory that was purchased from a breeder and brought in on a truck (complete with ear tag) is not really hunting if you ask me.

Just because there are lots of these operators in South Africa - doesnt mean that they are ALL the same!!

VERY VERY FEW outfitters offering free range, wild cape buffalo hunting anywhere in South Africa. And usually at a price twice that of elsewhere.

How many border Kruger? Six or so? And bulls out of a National Park, well they are used to people photographing them ...

Matt, Which Kruger boundary park outfitter are you referring to?

Well yes there are half a dozen concessions around Kruger and many more outfitters than concessions. I guess the whole place is flippen huge area and I doubt the buffalo are really used to photographers. But maybe so? In any case buffalo in their natural state probably shouldnt be running away from vehicles.

Mark R did a hunt in Balule last year, got a really nice bull. He was hunting with the company of my friend Jan Dumon. That 'management' duggaboy hunt typically goes for about $15k.

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I probably just need to quit all this Africa talk and go hunting with you Matt Graham! I know those big ole water buffalo are not in a fence.

That sounds like a plan!!

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