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JudgeG
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 510Wells]
      #26392 - 16/02/05 01:44 PM

510Wells:

As to the "extra" velocity at which my Searcy is regulated...

Butch will regulate his rifles at whatever load (that is, whatever "safe" load) you wish.

Since I reload, and since I don't like fillers, Woodleighs at 2250 fps or so is what he recommended. His load of 108 grains of IMR4831 about fills up the Norma brass and Federal 215's lights up the powder just fine. You can see the accuracy in the above pictures. I wouldn't recommend it for anything but a Searcy, however.. and a late model one at that. I believe that Ray Atkinson had his Searcy so regulated, but found a "lesser" load that gives him 2080 fps and the same accuracy.. and about 2/3's the recoil. Old men need help.

I looked up the load I quoted above in the A-Square manual. It lists the resultant velocity at less than 2200 fps. Must be lots of difference in A-Square brass and Norma, or Woodleighs and Dead Toughs, or both, huh?

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #26457 - 17/02/05 01:22 PM

...sort of reminds me of the 'best scope' wars waged on the 24hourcampfire website...seems as if some posters merely use the net to validate preconceived choices and to seek the comfort of like-minded posters...

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchloc]
      #26656 - 22/02/05 05:21 PM

I spoke to Tom Ondrus and he also told me about a .577 Searcy that ruined his hunt last year in Zim. Apparently it's slightly unpleasant when a 577 doubles on you.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: jblok]
      #26676 - 23/02/05 04:12 AM

jblok, as I'm sure Tom told you that rifle was to be traded to the PH for a tuskless elephant hunt. What he didn't tell you I'm sure was he had a problem with the rifle two years prior to the hunt. He made me aware of this and I told him to send it back for repair. He never did, but instead chose to try and trade it for a hunt.
Know let me stop all this doubling bullshit. All new rifles in the Deluxe models which include all 577's and above have a Linder style intercepting sear mechanism. It can not fire unless you pull the trigger. Period!

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26705 - 23/02/05 05:08 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I will definitely consider a delux grade rifle then. But, does this mean that the older style rifles will be fixed? I know are quite a number of them in circulation, and the owners of these would probably be glad to hear this. On your one site you said that Johan Calitz hunts exclusively with your doubles. Is this really true?

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butchsearcy
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: jblok]
      #26723 - 24/02/05 02:04 AM

Johan, used his new W.R. last year that he traded to Simon Clod for a Elephant hunt. If I owned that rifle I'd use it to, but not because I think it's any better in function to mine. I'm like the rest of you, a name goes along way.
As to me offing any upgrades to the interceptor sear system, there isn't one. And to imply that there is a doubling problem with my older rifles, well there isn't anymore of a problem than with Merkel, Champius, or Krieghoff.
The retrofit to the Linder system requires all the internals of the action be removed and replaced, this is $3000.00 in labor, and because of my work load it would take about a year for delivery. Most everyone here knows what causes doubling. I suggest using the back trigger first, rifles are not shotguns that have chokes that dictate which trigger to use first. There is no rule that is justified that says you must use the front trigger first.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26733 - 24/02/05 05:35 AM

Yeah, Butch,

I agree. Most doubling comes from the shooter playing the triggers like harp strings. Probably we have all seen it.

Some comes from mechanical malfunctions and "improvements" by ham-fisted "gunsmiths."

The former can be corrected by practice. The latter can only be corrected by somebody competent to do so.

Whoever this rifle owner is, he was short-sighted not to send it to the maker for repair. I think we all would agree that Mr. Searcy is fully capable and willing to put the problem right. Even if the doubling was caused by a mechanical malfunction, the gun owner has no call to trash the maker if he hasn't given the maker the chance to fix it.

That's my $0.02 worth!

Curl

P.S. to Butch:

I have always wanted to know the mechanics of Linder's intercepting sears. Of course, I know how the intercepting sear works on a sidelock. It's much easier to look inside one. The boxlock is harder to peek into.

Do you have a drawing or a reference you can cite to explain this to me?

Thanks,
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26989 - 28/02/05 01:30 PM

Mr. Searcy, if I had the power to finance one of those beautiful Doubles you make I'd do it this very minute! I cannot wait until the day comes when I purchase one of your Doubles which are made here in the USA. Best of luck. Angel

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: clark7781]
      #27123 - 02/03/05 03:45 PM

I know of a man who has a deluxe grade in 577NE who is considering selling it.It has sideplates with nice game scene engraving(rhino,elephant,and buffalo).It has very nice wood,and it shoots reduced loads very well.Im not sure how well it shoots with full loads,but it was regulated for 750 grain bullets.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: Jeast]
      #144999 - 02/11/09 01:51 PM

I hope the 577 that Ondrus had has made its way to Butch. I just came upon this thread. He had a friend of mine, and I restock this rifle. On the cheap. Nice wood,but would only pay pennies for the work. Then complained when it was done.
He argued with me about the proper way to fire a double rifle. Yes he was a "harp Player" two fingers in the trigger guard. No wonder it doubled, as he pulled them both at the same time.
I have pictures of the rifle, as we were working on it. That way I am covered, as far as telling people I did the work for him. It took me a long time to do the job, with a razor, and marking ink to inlet. Chisels, and sandpaper, for the forming of the outside of the stock. Not a bad job for someone that never stocked a Double Rifle before. I turned down the job, but my friend, who did not know I had turned it down, accepted it. Then I was stuck. We took the gun to him in Ohio as he was in a hurry to get it,spent 100 dollars on gas,ect traveling from Pa. and he never paid us for the service of delivering it special for him. I think he paid my friend 200 dollars for the job. It took 3 months to do.
He told me that the stock was broken in Africa, and needed repaired. I wondered how it got broken. Butches guns are made like tanks.
I spoke to Butch about this. So he is familiar with the ordeal.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: gunsmith]
      #145042 - 03/11/09 05:49 AM

In my humble experience with a Searcy .577 Nitro Underlever ...

One elephant ... one 750-gr. bullet ... Much meat for villagers, much tusks for Tom

Would I buy a Searcy .577 today? Hell no - can't handle the kick!

Would I buy a Searcy today? Hell yes - then hunt anything. No better double for hunting.

Remember mates, WR, H&H, Purdy - all who have been around a few years - had problems in the beginning.

Tom Murphy

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: gunsmith]
      #145062 - 03/11/09 08:40 AM

I have fooled around with double rifles of ALL calibers, for 40+ years; and never had one double on me---I always first tested my doubles by firing them with a snap cap in one chamber, though. More importantly, I never once heard of anyone having two fingers in trigger guard when firing a double rifle. Pretty astounding how dumb some people can be; they deserve to have such a rifle "double" on them, due to their own doing.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #145064 - 03/11/09 08:55 AM

Quote:

All new rifles in the Deluxe models which include all 577's and above have a Linder style intercepting sear mechanism. It can not fire unless you pull the trigger. Period!



It has long been my belief that most rifles that double do so because the shooter inadvertently drags his finger across the back trigger. (And no, I can't prove it in court.)

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: poprivit]
      #145067 - 03/11/09 09:03 AM

This was a very interested post. Always good to see the maker present!

Mr Searcy; I've followed your rifles (and the debates) for a couple of yrs now, and of course a few q's araise:

What kind of third-fastner do you use on your various models?

Do you use actions of 20 or 12ga size?

Do you mount the ERA type pivot mount on your rifles?

What kind of triggersystem is used in the Classic model?

I'm on the lookout for a .400 bore, suitable for a scope as an all round african rifle.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: JudgeG]
      #146184 - 19/11/09 02:11 AM

Quote:

510Wells:

As to the "extra" velocity at which my Searcy is regulated...

Butch will regulate his rifles at whatever load (that is, whatever "safe" load) you wish.

Since I reload, and since I don't like fillers, Woodleighs at 2250 fps or so is what he recommended. His load of 108 grains of IMR4831 about fills up the Norma brass and Federal 215's lights up the powder just fine. You can see the accuracy in the above pictures. I wouldn't recommend it for anything but a Searcy, however.. and a late model one at that. I believe that Ray Atkinson had his Searcy so regulated, but found a "lesser" load that gives him 2080 fps and the same accuracy.. and about 2/3's the recoil. Old men need help.

I looked up the load I quoted above in the A-Square manual. It lists the resultant velocity at less than 2200 fps. Must be lots of difference in A-Square brass and Norma, or Woodleighs and Dead Toughs, or both, huh?



This must be a miss type, the above load of 108 grains of IMR4831 would come no where near the 2000+FPS with a 750 grn bullet. My own test have shown nothing short of at least 130 grains will produce those velocities...in a .577 2.75"NE. Nor would this load fill the case. If this was your load, I'd chrono it and or check the barrels bore and grove for correct specs.

Possibly you/he meant RL15?

BS

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #146190 - 19/11/09 02:59 AM

Quote:

Quote:

510Wells:

As to the "extra" velocity at which my Searcy is regulated...

Butch will regulate his rifles at whatever load (that is, whatever "safe" load) you wish.

Since I reload, and since I don't like fillers, Woodleighs at 2250 fps or so is what he recommended. His load of 108 grains of IMR4831 about fills up the Norma brass and Federal 215's lights up the powder just fine. You can see the accuracy in the above pictures. I wouldn't recommend it for anything but a Searcy, however.. and a late model one at that. I believe that Ray Atkinson had his Searcy so regulated, but found a "lesser" load that gives him 2080 fps and the same accuracy.. and about 2/3's the recoil. Old men need help.

I looked up the load I quoted above in the A-Square manual. It lists the resultant velocity at less than 2200 fps. Must be lots of difference in A-Square brass and Norma, or Woodleighs and Dead Toughs, or both, huh?



This must be a miss type, the above load of 108 grains of IMR4831 would come no where near the 2000+FPS with a 750 grn bullet. My own test have shown nothing short of at least 130 grains will produce those velocities...in a .577 2.75"NE. Nor would this load fill the case. If this was your load, I'd chrono it and or check the barrels bore and grove for correct specs.

Possibly you/he meant RL15?

BS



Its a 470 he writes about, i think.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: JudgeG]
      #146881 - 29/11/09 01:49 AM

I've been strongly considering ordering a Searcy Field grade in 450 3 1/4. If I can get it in 26" barrels, I'm probably going to order it next week before the price goes up.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: Eland_Slaya]
      #146917 - 29/11/09 12:25 PM

Eland Slaya,

I have that very thing on order right now.
Ask Butch nicely for 26" barrels, and you
will receive them. My .450 NE Field Grade
is being made for a lefty, so if you want
that, you can get it as well..

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #147003 - 01/12/09 10:19 AM

Quote:

I have fooled around with double rifles of ALL calibers, for 40+ years; and never had one double on me---I always first tested my doubles by firing them with a snap cap in one chamber, though. More importantly, I never once heard of anyone having two fingers in trigger guard when firing a double rifle. Pretty astounding how dumb some people can be; they deserve to have such a rifle "double" on them, due to their own doing.



I have to agree, two fingers in the guard is stupid, and I bet painful.

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