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macmx
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Falling block, rimmed or rimless?
#257400 - 01/12/14 08:12 AM

Hi all,

I am considering getting a falling block rifle built for myself, most likely on a Hagn action.
My question is: are falling blocks best suited for rimmed or rimless cartridges?
Probably, I will go for 7x57, but should it be 7x57R? There are a lot more choices in the rimmed version, due to the large number of combination guns using this caliber.

Any help is much appreciated? Thanks.

Marcus

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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: macmx]
#257401 - 01/12/14 09:43 AM

Definitely the rimmed version, both from a practical and a traditional viewpoint.

Waidmannsheil.

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TH44
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#257403 - 01/12/14 10:30 AM

Plus one for Waidmannsheil for the same reasons

TH44

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Iowa_303s
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: TH44]
#257411 - 01/12/14 02:23 PM

The rimmed case will just drop into the chamber.
The rimless case will require you to push it past the extrctor/ejector to seat it in the chamber

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macmx
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Iowa_303s]
#257418 - 01/12/14 08:10 PM

Great. Thanks very much everyone!

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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: macmx]
#257429 - 02/12/14 03:18 AM

I don't own any falling block rifles in un-rimmed chamberings other than a Ruger No.1 in 458 Lott.
The Ruger works very well with rimless cartridges and I think I have seen Hagn actions in rimless chamberings as well so it really comes down to personal preference but the traditional choice would be the rimmed cartridge.
If you are fixed on the 7mm but want some extra power over the 7X57 you may consider the 7X65R.

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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Huvius]
#257435 - 02/12/14 03:55 AM

Good idea- friend of mine has a 16 bore top barrel, 7x65R bottom barrel Merkle. It is amazingly accurate with Barnes TSX handloads or the the H-mantles and cone point factory RWS ammo. By amazingly accurate, I am referring to sub 1", 3 shot groups at 100 meters. This is out of a skinny barrel, too.

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Englishman
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: DarylS]
#258316 - 28/12/14 03:27 AM

Definitely better in a rimmed calibre, the rimless requires a sprung loaded extractor to grip the case, this is something else to go wrong, usually at the wrong time! As Huvius has suggested go for 7X65R if you must have rimless, but it is an added complication, and not very traditional.

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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Englishman]
#258329 - 28/12/14 12:52 PM

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Definitely better in a rimmed calibre, the rimless requires a sprung loaded extractor to grip the case, this is something else to go wrong, usually at the wrong time! As Huvius has suggested go for 7X65R if you must have rimless, but it is an added complication, and not very traditional.

Huvius has suggested the 7x65R because it is a rimmed cartridge, not rimless as you seem to be implying.

I shot a couple of Roe deer with a 7x65R when in Germany, seems a nice cartridge and is basically the rimmed version of the 7x64.

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Englishman
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: eagle27]
#259803 - 02/02/15 01:05 AM

Eagle27,
I don't know what went wrong there? Of course the 7x65R is a rimmed cartridge (that is why there is an R in it) I must have had a moment of concentration blackout brought on by the thought of using a rimless cartridge in a falling block rifle!

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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Englishman]
#259903 - 03/02/15 10:35 AM

7x65R is a very fine cartridge. Wonderful for a falling block. It compares to the .280 Remington so would be suitable for the same game that you might take with guns in the .270 to .30-'06 range. It is capable of excellent accuracy. The 7x57R is a nice little cartridge, but you are not confined to cartridge length so much with a single shot, so the longer 7x65R would, in my opinion, give you slightly more versatility. Good luck. Norman4

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: Falling block, rimmed or rimless? [Re: Norman4]
#259920 - 03/02/15 07:53 PM

Macmx, I have a Hagn action in .30-06 by Steve Dodd Hughes and a .375 H$H Magnum on a Hagn action by Hartman and Weiss. Both makers say the Hagn action is better suited to a RIMLESS cartridge. Dodd Hughes went into the technicalities of this on an article he wrote on the Hagn many years ago which I believe is in an old copy of the American rifleman. It used to be on the web, I can call Steve and ask him for a copy if you want one. Traditionalists will want a rimmed cartridge obviously, best, Mike

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