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Shotgunlover
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Focus technique
      #257139 - 24/11/14 11:43 PM

A question of shooting technique when using rifles on moving targets.

In shotgunning the accepted technique is focus on the target, forget the gun.

In rifle and pistol shooting, using open sights, the accepted technique is to focus on the front sight and have the back sight and target off focus.

It is a biological fact that our eyes cannot focus on more than one distance at any one time.

So when shooting a moving target, ie wild boar silouettes, with a rifle and open sights, where does the eye focus? The target, the front sight, or is there some other technique?

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93mouse
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Re: Focus technique [Re: Shotgunlover]
      #257212 - 26/11/14 04:58 AM

It depends on many factors - tho there are some things that are indisputable:

1. Rifle must fit (when you shoulder it the sights are aligned without checking) and rifle is pointing at what you are looking atm
2. Your swing must be spotless (matching gun speed to that of the target without stopping when pulling the trigger is mandatory)

Inside 15-20m sights are superflous...the further out you get the more the focus moves from target to front sight.

It takes a lot to be proficient. It is one thing to shoot and try to hit the target, shooting to kill makes all the difference - to be consistent in doing it, shifts you to master class.

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twobobbwana
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Re: Focus technique [Re: 93mouse]
      #257227 - 26/11/14 04:53 PM

mouse,

I agree with you totally.

I believe the action should be:

* focus on target,
* swing body with target,
* Correct gun mount,
* Correct gun fit,
* Reference to alignment of sights on target,
* Re-reference target,
* Press/squeeze trigger

All of this must be done without stopping your swing or lifting your head.

All similar practices to shooting a shotgun on a moving target.

I believe that, with a correct fitting gun and correct technique the "Reference to alignment of sights on target" practice would be minimized or eliminated at relatively short ranges with practice/confidence..........but I do it out of habit anyway.

I can see no reason that the same cannot be done with a bolt gun that fits you.

I'll go as far to say that it can be done with a pistol supposing you can draw, swing with target, align sights and squeeze trigger without stopping your swing or losing your front sight on target focus.

Usually in fast close shooting if you watch the front sight the back sight will look after itself. Often you take the fast shot just looking at the front sight and a quick reference to the back sight will show that it's aligned ............ on a shot that hits what you're shooting at.

I'd be interested in the views of a "gun coach".

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Ripp
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Re: Focus technique [Re: twobobbwana]
      #257232 - 27/11/14 01:09 AM

In my home state where I grew up --running shots on whitetail were how we grew up..we would do drives through harvested corn fields or shelter belts of trees with posters at the end --90% of all deer I took prior to moving to Montana 25 years ago were running...my point in this is I feel its a huge advantage to have grown up that way and start doing it as a kid..and continuing to do so through most of your life..also, all of our rifles we all open sighted as our family was too poor to buy scopes which also I feel helped.

We used to practice by putting a square cardboard target inside a used a car tire..step back about 100 yards or so and have a friend roll the tire down the hill..so how many times you hit it from a fully loaded rifle..seemed like that and practicing on running jackrabbits in the rest of the year always kept you kinda sharp...

Also feel if you think of everything you need to do when it occurs you will be behind the 8 ball..it has to happen naturally. Muscle memory --so practice practice practice..

I find it really no different than most things in life such. In martial arts, if you get attached and have to think of what you need to do, your gonna lose..but, if you respond quickly and accurately from lots of practice and training, the odds are in your favor..

Just my thoughts on this ..
thx

Ripp

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DarylS
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Re: Focus technique [Re: Ripp]
      #257235 - 27/11/14 02:59 AM



The more a rifle resembles a shotun's shape, that is, the face orientation to the sighting plane, the better the snap shooting accuracy will be.

This is the only rifle I have ever owned, bar none, that when snapped to the shoulder, the sights were dead on the target I was focusing on - every time - shooting offhand and snapping the rifle to my shoulder then firing immediately when the butt was pulled into my shoulder would bring a hit on an 8" disk at 50yards every time. This rifle never lost that 'duelling' competition on a swinging plate mechanism that made the other man's plate disappear when yours was hit.
My brother also found this rifle to work just about as well for him on that competition. Of course, when you are shooting against hooked butt Hawkens and 42" barreled longrifles, it was rather an easy competition to win.

The only other rifle that was close to the above rifle for fast firing fit, was a 1980-ERA Winchester M70 .264 MAG, that I re-barreled and chambered for the .458 Alaskan - it wore a 2 1/2X Leupold Scope, in low Weaver rings on Weaver bases - very low. The drop in the heel and comb were such that when snapped to the shoulder, the crosshairs would be within a 6" circle at 50yards, about 9 out of 10 times. The odd time, the 'shooter's' focus was off I guess.

Some rifles fit well enough to pull this sort of thing off, while most don't, without a lot of work and practice.

The more you practice with an individual rifle, the better the chance of teaching your body to do what is necessary to achieve this 'snap shooting' goal, one handy to have if hunting dangerous game, I'd think.

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