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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25795 - 07/02/05 04:39 AM

Shakari,
I agree with the pop ups on the scopes, I also hate them. As far as the condoms on the barrel, you don't need a tight fit.......ha ha ha , nothing to spill. The tape is also a good idea.

I once had had to make a splint for my son after he injured his left arm. I've cut up a plastic hanger and used insulation tape to secure it. It worked very well, it was also a good rest for his rifle.

BTW I tried the long shorts, but I'll have to stick to long pants.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25834 - 07/02/05 11:29 PM

In reply to:

I'm not sure what you mean by liquid bandages, but if you mean what I think you mean it's a brush on liquid for small open wounds?



What could be meant here is the 'Quik-Clot' type of product, as described over on AR last year - try this
link, but you may have to be logged in before it'll work.

Looks very useful for major haemorrhages.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25843 - 08/02/05 12:52 AM

This product is offered by a company called Zee MedicalStop Bleeding instantly

QR™ stops bleeding instantly!
QR™ powder is designated for use only on wounds that have blood; such as cuts, scrapes, skin tears, nosebleeds, even wounds that may require sutures later. Most cuts that require more than a simple bandage can require a significant amount of time for compression just to get the bleeding to stop. The QR™ powder will instantly form a Hematrix™ scab that adheres to the wound and stops bleeding within 15 seconds in most cases, which can put the injured employee back to work within minutes. QR™ is completely safe, hypoallergenic, and FDA approved .

I found a really good source for on the go first aid kits to be Adventure medical kits Their camper series allows you to get as big or as small as you need. They do keep them small with only the needed emergency first aid supplies.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25930 - 09/02/05 07:44 AM

Shakari,

You display a comprehensive kit, very generous to heal everybody. Very altruistic.

As there is a satisfying kit in the car, as the bearer is bearing something too (I don’t know what?) I don’t want to bring a cumbersome pouch.
My pouch is containing.
2 bands (crepe and gauze)
2 compresses (10-10 & 25-25)
5 butterfly strips
1 aspi-venom
pincers, not the tiny one in the swiss knife,
Iodine paste (Betadine)



One fears mostly :
Major bleeding : garrot=belt, bands, Tshirt, compresses
Serious bleeding bands, compresses
Minor bleeding compress, butterfly strips
Scratch : nothing
Thorn : good pincers
And in any case : IODINE , preferably Iodine paste to plug the wounds.
In fact it’s the pouch I bring along to nurse my Teckel hound when she is dealing wiht boars, save stapples.
The whole kit is weighting 200g.

NB QR seems very interesting


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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: larcher]
      #25960 - 09/02/05 09:01 PM

Please, will You explain my wife I need condoms in Africa, myself cannot convince her
Thanks. jb


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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: larcher]
      #25963 - 09/02/05 09:26 PM

JB,

If I remember correctly, you are going to CAR in a week or 2.

Btw, how long will you be gone for?

Erik

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: larcher]
      #25990 - 10/02/05 02:57 AM

JB
Show her my post, maybe she will understand.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #26009 - 10/02/05 08:53 AM

Out of interest, what about anti-venom kits? I don't see these mentioned. I am sure the PH mentioned that this was included in the vehicle kit when I was out in RSA.

Are they routinely carried by outfitters, if not, why not? Any particular reason? Maybe because you need to be qualified to use them or because there is enough time to get to a hospital? ( I would think this unlikely ).

I ask out of curiosity because being allergic to animal proteins the serum will probably kill me quicker than the snake bite, so what would happen in a situation like that?
( a beer to the first one to say "You die" ).

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #26019 - 10/02/05 09:53 AM

In reply to:

( a beer to the first one to say "You die" ).




"You die"! So where's my beer?

Seriously though, I was informed by several doctors before driving thru africa that almost all anti-venoms must be kept in a fridge. Another problem is that each snake species needs a specific anit-venom. I'm sure it's possible for some hunting camps to have a small variety of anti-venoms, but I'm not sure that it would be quite so easy in practice.

Erik

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: EricD]
      #26020 - 10/02/05 09:56 AM

Bitter or Lager Erik???? I thought there was a polyvalent anti-venom available that covered the likes of mambas, cobras and puff adders?

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #26042 - 10/02/05 04:05 PM

The anti venom you buy is a general anti venom that covers most snakes. You can only have them in the camp, as it must stay in the fridge. In RSA you are usually close to medical facilities. It will be better to get the patient as quickly as possible to hospital.

Snakes will only bite you if you provoke them, I had numerous encounters with snakes in bush but was never bitten. If you see a snake give him a chance to get away. Prevention is better than cure.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #26050 - 10/02/05 07:09 PM

Metwedi,

You may be right that there is an anti-venom covering several kinds of snakes as Jaco also mentions. But the way I've understood it is that it is at least preferable to use the specific type of anti-venom for it to be most effective. But maybe I'm wrong, as this is just from what I've been told. I know for sure that quite a few big plantations growing cocoa, coffee, and sugercane around the world actually have "snake rooms" filled with the various local snakes in glass cages on the premises. This is so that they can make the right (best?) kind of anti-venom when needed.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: EricD]
      #26059 - 11/02/05 01:14 AM

Erik
If I may explain. Polivin anti serum is made as fopllows. Small quantities of snake venom are injected in horses. The dosis is slowly made bigger. The horse will build up an imunity against the poison. The horse's blood is drawn and the anti bodies are used to counter the snakes venom. horses are injacted with venom mix consisting of the venom of the following snakes:Puffadder,Gaboen adder, Black mamba, Green mamba,Jameson's adder, Rinkhals, Bush cobra, Koperkapel, Egypsian cobra and the mozambique cobra. The anti venom produced will be effective for all the above snakes.

General advise on snake bites

If you are less than 2 hours from medical facilities do not administer anti venom.

General treatment
Identify the snake
Do not cut over the bite or try to suck out the venom
Apply a pressure bandage above the wound
Keep the pasient calm still and in the shade. Movements helps to spread the venom.
Administer an anti allergic substance like Phenergan
Get the pasient to a doctor as soon as possible, try to take the snake with( dead)

Spesific treatment
Neurotoxic snakes
Black mamba,Green mamba, Rinkhals and all cobras
Use pressure bandage above the wound release it every half hour for 1-2 minutes
If medical help is more than 2 hours away administer 2 ampules of anti venom in the butt mussle.
Transport to hospital.
Check the patient's breating and apply mouth to mouth breathing if needed

Sitotxic
Puff adder and Gaboen adder
No pressure bandage
Ifmore than 2 hours away from medical facility administer 2 ampules of anti venom
Give the strongest available pain killers to the patient.
Get the patient to the hospital

Hematoxic
Tree snake and bird snake
No pressure bandage and no anti venom.
Get to a hospital as quickly as possible. If posstively identified doctors can order anti venom for tree snakes ussually a blood transfusion will be done.

There is no anti venom for bird snakes, doctors will treat the symptoms

The rest
Mountain adder
No presure bandage or anti venom, doctor will treat symptoms

The rest of the sligktly poisonness snakes needs medical attention but the are not deadly

Non poisoness snakes only needs treatment against infection and pain.

Thats my bit I hope I could help a bit. I've just gave basic guide lines on snake bites. A good knowledge of snakes are advisable.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #26061 - 11/02/05 02:16 AM

Jaco,

Thanks for sharing your snake knowledge! I didn't realize that there was a combined anti-venom that worked for so many types of snakes. Do you know if anti-venom is made in any other ways then with horses as you mentioned? I'm thinking of how the plantations that have "snake rooms/labs" would make a specific anti-venom quickly. I have no idea how that would work, but there must be some way. I saw a film clip of such a plantation snakeroom/lab from Brazil just a few days ago. It was stuffed with snakes from floor to ceiling!

Erik

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: EricD]
      #26065 - 11/02/05 03:34 AM

Hi Erik,
The reason horses are used to " cultivate" the anti venom is that the horse cells are compatible with human blood cells, if the cells are not compatible outr bodies will reject the anti venom. Guys with long hair, thick glasses and long white coats worked this out, I prefer not to argue with them, because I will definately loose the argument. The info I have given is for RSA, I don't know if other countries follow different processes.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #26066 - 11/02/05 04:17 AM

Jaco thanks for the info, very interesting! Don't worry, I NEVER molest snakes and always give them a very wide berth.
Given what you say about treatment is it just an old wive's tale that a Mamba bite will kill within 15mins?
You talk about a two hour window, is this more like the average time for a bite to prove fatal?

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #26067 - 11/02/05 04:42 AM

There is a lot of old woman tales. Snakes usually bite you on the lower limbs and the venom takes time to distribute through your body. Tree snakes venom attack your blood if you die it is because of bleeding, Puffadder and gaboen adder attack your musles and is very very painfull. The rest, Neorotxic venom, attacks your nervous system and you die when you cannot breath anymore.

The bigger the snake the more venom he will inject in your body. Mambas ( neorotoxin) can become very big, the reason for the pressure bandage is to slow the spread of the poison. The poison is spread through your blood circulation system, by slowing down your circulation you slow down the spreading of the venom.

The best way to administer anti venom is intravenious, the problem is if you are alergic to the anti venom the symptoms apear a lot quiker.

Snake bites are always to be taken seriosly. I've had many encounters with snakes in the bush, but if you are careful and wakey you won have a problem. Treat them with respect and they will do the same.


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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #26075 - 11/02/05 06:27 AM

Metswedi,
Sorry I did not answer your second question. The 2 hour window period gives you enough time to get treated succesfully. I will however try to get a patient to the hospital as quickly as possible.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #26079 - 11/02/05 07:24 AM

Jaco,

Thanks for sharing. You know a lot.
As a biologist may I add a few things?
Horse serum is used because the horse strongly reacts making antibodies quickly and on a big scale. Some people are allergic to equine proteins. To prevent from any anaphyllactic shock the anti-venom serum is injected gradually, small quantities one after another.
Some farms are keeping snakes alive, but absolutely no way to get specific antiserum quickly. At least 1 to 3 months from horse. Absolutely impossible from human beings, too dangerous and unethical, even if human specific antibodies (gammaglobulins) would be the most safe.
Multipurpose anti-venom sera must be kept in the fridge or not to long trailed around. I cannot remember but for some very snakes there is no anti-venom. Is it the boomslang (fer de lance)of which P H Capstick gave a thrilling report or Nicole Viloteau, a French adventurer-herpetologist, a girl (not bad) who is mad of snakes and mader of Australia, concerning an Australian snake (sea snake?).
I want to add that comprehensive knowledge of snakes and snake poisoning is a tremendous task that have not to be overlooked or dismissed. More I learn about it, more I have to learn.
Anyhow, of which P H Capstick gave a thrilling report or Nicole Viloteau, French herpetologist, a girl who is mad of snakes and mader of Australia, concerning an Australian snake (sea snake?). , Gaboon viper apart?
Thanks for making me think of Phenergan.
Erik

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: larcher]
      #26120 - 11/02/05 04:26 PM

Larcher,
Thanks for sharing. What I like about this forums is there is always somebody that can teach you something.

As far as I know there is no anti venom for the bird snake, for the tree snake there is a specific anti venom that is very scarce and very expensive. If the snake cannot be possitively identified the anti venom will not be administered. A futher problem no hospital stock the anti venom for tree snakes.

If a bird snake bit you they will treat the symptoms and you will spend about a week in hospital. The tree snake involves blood transfusions and if the antivenom is administered the recovery is very dramatic.

In the 30 odd years that I have spend in the bush I have never witnessed a snake bite incident, for that I am very greatfull.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #26135 - 12/02/05 12:53 AM

In Australia, we have 9 out of the world's top 10 most venomous snakes. We have only ONE first-aid treatment for snake-bite for ALL snakes.

Strap the entire limb on which the bite has occurred, beginning at the bite. The strapping, usually a number of crepe bandages, must be firm, as if strapping a sprained ankle, but not extremely tight like a tourniquet. The reason is that the venom is transported in the lymph, NOT the blood. Strapping the entire limb virtually stops the flow of lymph within the limb, trapping the venom. The limb should then be splinted if possible to prevent movement.

The patient must then be transported to a hospital, but if the strapping was administered quickly, the patient is not at risk of death for several hours. Unlike Africa, no-one outside a medical precinct routinely carries anti-venom.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Marrakai]
      #26150 - 12/02/05 03:23 AM

Marrakai,
You are 100% correct, we only use a tourniquet for mamba and cobra bites, the reason for that I don't know.

We have anti venom on the farm, but I will think twice before I administrer it. If it is a matter of life and death I will do it, otherwise I will let the hospital do it. Too many things can go wrong.

Something that is more scary in RSA is that there are about 600000 spiders per hectare. Out of the 63 families only 6 are important, luckily you will not die off a spider bite but it can be very uncomfortable and sometimes painfull.

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