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Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375
      #255041 - 12/10/14 09:19 AM

I'm writing an article on stopping rifles and preparing for a self guided jungle Elephant hunt in Cameroon this winter, followed by Rhino immediately after.

Here's some of my favoured simple practice regimen, using .375, .450 Rigby, .470 Nitro, and .505 Gibbs from the shooter's point of view. Wore a head mount camera for the shoot, hope you enjoy.

http://youtu.be/whONoc09xF0

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Edited by Ardent (12/10/14 09:20 AM)

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ardent]
      #255046 - 12/10/14 10:52 AM

That was cool - jam was nasty- jumped out sideways in the rails - no controlled feed. Well done with the Merkel DR - it did work well for you! Love the PING of the empties in slo-mo.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: DarylS]
      #255049 - 12/10/14 11:08 AM

Thanks Daryl, the jam was nasty and immediately put me off that lovely little .450. I had actually anticipated it would be tied for my favourite, big letdown. The .470 certainly works for me, feel like I can snap shoot butterflies with that thing.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ardent]
      #255492 - 21/10/14 12:06 AM

How did i miss this?
You handle recoil like the beasts you'll be firing at!

Would love to see more of that .505 Gibbs, photos?

If i was having a 505 done i'd do the RSM route, did you get the original barrel rebored?

Details, if you can be so kind to share, please!

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ash]
      #256211 - 02/11/14 02:32 PM

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How did i miss this?
You handle recoil like the beasts you'll be firing at!

Would love to see more of that .505 Gibbs, photos?

If i was having a 505 done i'd do the RSM route, did you get the original barrel rebored?

Details, if you can be so kind to share, please!




Thanks, it is a custom belonging to a friend and unfortunately I don' think have much for details. A fellow here in Canada rebored it, and another did the action work, the end result is a truly wonderful rifle. I've got a thick set of shoulders and stop recoil quickly, which is both a blessing and a curse I suspect.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ardent]
      #256511 - 10/11/14 10:36 AM

Some good shooting.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: NitroX]
      #256819 - 16/11/14 06:33 AM

Thanks John, we'll see how do with the .577, have one coming together on my bench and will be keen to give it a go.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ardent]
      #256824 - 16/11/14 10:37 AM

Ooh, more details!

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ash]
      #256873 - 17/11/14 04:41 AM

It's a WW Greener Empire conversion, will have .470 and .577 barrels upon completion.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ardent]
      #258622 - 05/01/15 09:59 AM

Here it is check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whONoc09xF0&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: DarylS]
      #258647 - 05/01/15 11:29 PM

Can I ask what the range of the targets were? Just for comparison value. Always hard to tell from a video. Thanks.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: NitroX]
      #258655 - 06/01/15 01:28 AM

IF --using this as a reference, no question on which is faster double or bolt..

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ripp]
      #258664 - 06/01/15 03:35 AM

Very good, Ardent. Thank you for sharing.

I have never hunted dangerous game but the old soldier in me was looking with a critical eye. Hopefully, you will not be offended by this suggestion. When practicing with repeaters you should get in the habit of reloading after your two shots instead of stopping with an empty in the chamber.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ripp]
      #258666 - 06/01/15 03:44 AM

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IF --using this as a reference, no question on which is faster double or bolt..

Ripp

Yes, for two shots. But for three or four shots there is no question which is the faster double or bolt... Assuming, of course you are using a tapered, easily chambering round and your rifle does not tend to mis-feed. There is a lot to be said for the old style cartridges with their long sloping cases.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Grenadier]
      #258670 - 06/01/15 04:23 AM

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Very good, Ardent. Thank you for sharing.

I have never hunted dangerous game but the old soldier in me was looking with a critical eye. Hopefully, you will not be offended by this suggestion. When practicing with repeaters you should get in the habit of reloading after your two shots instead of stopping with an empty in the chamber.



That's a really good point..to reload immediately that is..

As to the 2 shots being a limiting factor, in my travels to Africa and hunting any of the big 5 or 7 or whatever number is the one today..frankly, as Nitro suggested, you won't get off more than 2 shots period..you are in too close and in thick bush..May be a different story possibly in some other areas but that has been my experience. Can see the point, but ...

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ripp]
      #258673 - 06/01/15 05:36 AM

Regardless of two shots versus three or more, to me it is imprudent not to reload if you have one in the magazine. A rifle that isn't loaded is only good for poking at something. An empty in the chamber is useless and would slow you down should you need another for whatever reason, even hunting deer. Have we not heard stories of hunters who aimed at quarry and squeezed the trigger only to find out they forgot to reload?

Ardent is rightly doing what all shooters should but most do not - training. People tend to perform in real situations as they have drilled in training. If one has a "favoured simple practice regimen" it should always include ejecting the empty and loading the next round because that is what you should do in the field.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Grenadier]
      #258688 - 06/01/15 01:29 PM

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Regardless of two shots versus three or more, to me it is imprudent not to reload if you have one in the magazine. A rifle that isn't loaded is only good for poking at something. An empty in the chamber is useless and would slow you down should you need another for whatever reason, even hunting deer. Have we not heard stories of hunters who aimed at quarry and squeezed the trigger only to find out they forgot to reload?

Ardent is rightly doing what all shooters should but most do not - training. People tend to perform in real situations as they have drilled in training. If one has a "favoured simple practice regimen" it should always include ejecting the empty and loading the next round because that is what you should do in the field.



Good points, all of them. We all fall back on our training under stressful situations. Lack of any training, promotes panic, confusion and sometimes, merely standing there watching the bear charge, mouth hanging open, working the bolt and emptying the rifle's rounds out onto the ground, thinking while panic stricken that they are actually shooting the bear.

Phil S. has probably seen this in Alaska as well as the 2 incidents I know of right here in B.C. Grizzly's can have that effect - I suspect a leopard, lion or buff would be even more terrifying.

The same sort of following your training has happened when policemen were shot while putting empties in their pocket, just as they did on the range, instead of dumping fired brass and reloading. Thankfully, training has changed, even with the wheel-gun shooters.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: DarylS]
      #258729 - 07/01/15 04:40 PM

These discussions are always a bit subjective IMO, but interesting.

If one assumes the user is experienced and practiced with the rifles.

A double rifle will always be faster than anything else with two shots.

A bolt action will will be slower for the first two shots, but probably faster for four shots. Assuming the rifle has a magazine of three or four cartridges. I think some of these new modern bolt actions with only two round magazines are a waste of time.

A single shot will always be the slowest.

Of course some individuals will be excellent with their chosen rifle, eg maybe faster than many even with a single shot. The same person would assumedly be faster with a double rifle and bolt action too if they put in the effort.

I assume the shots are all aimed shots.

Sometimes these debates are based on silly arguments. I remember years and years ago reading a supposed expert gun writer in a magazine claiming a bolt action was better than a double rifle for dangerous game. His "logic" - the double rifle will probably be chambered in a big bore calibre and have considerable recoil, so the recoil will affect its speed of firing, so a bolt action is better ??? Funny how his logic ignored the bolt action if comparable would also be chambered in a big bore calibre and also have similar recoil!!!

Some gun writers seem to lack pretty simple logical reasoning !

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: NitroX]
      #258801 - 08/01/15 04:06 PM

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I think some of these new modern bolt actions with only two round magazines are a waste of time



Hey! The Certus only holds 2. You're lucky you said modern *waves fist in a jokingly menacing way*

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Ash]
      #258802 - 08/01/15 05:09 PM

Fine, some of the old bolt actions that only hold two are a waste of time as well.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: Claydog]
      #258833 - 09/01/15 11:15 AM

Great video, thanks for sharing. Your experience with the Merkel 470 is the same as mine, reliable, accurate and fast. I have a review video on mine on YouTube, if interested, search 'gwh375' and it will come up. The Ruger RSMs are certainly a reliable rifle too.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: gwh]
      #258843 - 09/01/15 04:07 PM

A fast aimed second shot in this rifle, was 8 seconds, when I was in practice, that is and using a paper ctg. for the second shot - 14 bore, 6+ drams (165gr.2F), 482gr. round ball.



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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: gwh]
      #273046 - 11/11/15 07:54 PM

Perhaps a double day is in order........... Care to burn some powder?

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: mxv74]
      #273048 - 11/11/15 08:47 PM

Nice video. The Merkel rifles have a tendency to work. The jam is nasty.

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Re: Fast Shooting Vid, Firing .505 Gibbs, .470 Nitro, 450, 375 [Re: gwh]
      #274505 - 04/12/15 08:40 AM

Great video.

Good to see you are finding out the issues on the range.

Did you get the 450 MRC to feed correctly and consistently?

Thanks, Chris

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