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gfischer
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PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues?
#254342 - 30/09/14 02:33 PM

I'm trying to determine if it's an ammo problem, or a feed ramp problem. Awhile back Grafs got in the Prvi Partisan (sp?) 6.5x54 ammo, 156g. Ordered several boxes since I didn't know how long they'd have it. I had a little Kynoch 160g and some Czech of approx same length/wt. I took the PPU out and loaded the mag, it wouldn't feed. Shot a couple as single feed. Came home and compared the 3 examples I had. The other 2 brands feed fine in my carbine. They are more rounded and the PPU is slightly more pointed and just a tad shorter OAL.

Has anyone else tried the blue/white box PPU 156g 6.5x54 in a 1903 carbine? Any issues? Any success in getting it to feed? At least it was cheap and I have brass, but I was hoping I found a reliable source of ammo for this caliber.

Thanks, Greg

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: gfischer]
#254362 - 30/09/14 11:03 PM

I have fired quite a bit of the PPU ammo in my 1903. Initially I did experience very difficult feeding most of the time. Since PPU ammo was commonly available I decided to SLIGHTLY modify my cartridge stop to allow smother feeding. I also have a spare original cartridge stop so did not feel bad about the modification.

I filed and polished the cartridge stop to allow the round to rise slightly higher, but without dragging on the underside of the bolt. This allows the bullet nose to strike the feed ramp slightly higher where it is at a much better angle to feed up towards the chamber. I also gave the feed ramp a mirror polish.

Now the rounds feed fine but the bolt still must be worked with authority. I don't smash the bolt home but I don't baby it either.

I am thankful for the PPU ammo as it allows me to practice without be too concerned with the cost of the ammo.

Hope this helps.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: WWGreener]
#254379 - 01/10/14 05:21 AM

Thank you. I may look for some spare parts, but first I will do a little light polishing as well. I don't handload (yet) so I also appreciate an affordable ammo option as long as I get it to work.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: gfischer]
#254381 - 01/10/14 06:17 AM

I had a similar issue with some ammo I purchased from Buffalo Arms. What I noticed the most, compared to some RWS ammo I had was that the Buffalo Arms overall length was much shorter. This meant it wasn't hitting the feed ramp correctly. Next step: Handloading.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: DonZ]
#254406 - 01/10/14 04:04 PM

WWGreener,
Did you get your spare parts from the Numrich Greek parts list or somewhere else. Just wondering how much custom fitting was required if it was the Greek parts.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: gfischer]
#254415 - 01/10/14 08:08 PM

I got my parts years ago on ebay. The shell stop for the magazine required no fitting.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: WWGreener]
#254498 - 02/10/14 05:57 PM

gfischer, if it is of any help when I had an old greek mannlicher customised, the smith in Oregon built up and tested a number of rounds with Nosler, Barnes, Woodleigh and Hornady bullets. The Hornady had an overall length of 3.02" and fed OK but was the least accurate, the other 3 were all good but had overall lengths of 3.03 or 3.04". If you use anything shorter than 3.02" in my rifle I get the same problem you mention above. I have about 90 rounds of RWS ammo left in the UK which feeds fine. I have ordered a couple of hundred rounds of the primi ammo for here in Spain but am still waiting. What is the overall length of the ammo you have ? best, Mike

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#254504 - 03/10/14 01:28 AM

Guys:

A little trick I've used in the past for other purposes where factory loads were too long. {Now first I have to say I WISH I had the same problem you guys have cuz that would mean I'd own a M/S which I don't!! LOL}

IF OAL is the only problem, it's a snap to fix. Just get a kinetic bullet puller and "bump" the bullets out a wee bit and reseat using a seating die. If you are not a reloader, no worries, just bet a cheap LEE press or better yet the cheap LEE hand press and one seating die or a set of LEE M/S dies and use the seater. It works no problem. The combination cost of the hand press and dies are nothing compared to the total savings of Prvi ammo over the options like Norma if you shoot much at all.

Of course if you are a reloader you no doubt know this already.

Bump the bullet out a bit, reseat to proper OAL, fire.

Problem solved.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: 9.3x57]
#254507 - 03/10/14 02:11 AM

I knew the PP was a little shorter, but when you actually measure, it's a more noticeable difference.
Kynoch - 3.04" feed fine
Czech - 3.02" feed fine
PPU - 2.95" don't feed at all

Will the M/S dies work in a 7x57 lee hand loader I have? Forgive my ignorance, reloading is something I've considered for the future and I bought the small "Lee Loader" small all-in-one box

Thanks for the input guys

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: gfischer]
#254520 - 03/10/14 08:09 AM

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I knew the PP was a little shorter, but when you actually measure, it's a more noticeable difference.
Kynoch - 3.04" feed fine
Czech - 3.02" feed fine
PPU - 2.95" don't feed at all

Will the M/S dies work in a 7x57 lee hand loader I have? Forgive my ignorance, reloading is something I've considered for the future and I bought the small "Lee Loader" small all-in-one box

Thanks for the input guys

If you have the lee loadall you have a hammer die setup. You need a set of Lee dies and a small press to reseat bullets.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: 9.3x57]
#254651 - 05/10/14 07:36 PM

when looking for something different I found two MS rounds in my box and one of them is realy strange

common post war RWS 6,5x54

pre war headstamp "N Mannl.-Sch. 6.5"

no doubt someone had played with the bullet, cant be original

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: 9.3x57]
#254654 - 06/10/14 12:29 AM

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I knew the PP was a little shorter, but when you actually measure, it's a more noticeable difference.
Kynoch - 3.04" feed fine
Czech - 3.02" feed fine
PPU - 2.95" don't feed at all

Will the M/S dies work in a 7x57 lee hand loader I have? Forgive my ignorance, reloading is something I've considered for the future and I bought the small "Lee Loader" small all-in-one box

Thanks for the input guys

If you have the lee loadall you have a hammer die setup. You need a set of Lee dies and a small press to reseat bullets.

...or a proper Lee loadall to reseat them. You can do it with the hammer model, but you need to get the right seater/loadall die set.

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: lancaster]
#254655 - 06/10/14 12:31 AM

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when looking for something different I found two MS rounds in my box and one of them is realy strange

common post war RWS 6,5x54

pre war headstamp "N Mannl.-Sch. 6.5"

no doubt someone had played with the bullet, cant be original

Lancaster;

Interesting.

It would be interesting to pull that bullet, mike the bearing area and weigh it. To my eyes looking at your pic, it looks like it tapers immediately as it leaves the case.

Will the long round feed in the M/S rifle?

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Re: PPU 6.5x54 ammo issues? [Re: 9.3x57]
#254659 - 06/10/14 01:14 AM

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Will the long round feed in the M/S rifle?

I dont believe!
cartridge oal is allways critical in the mannlicher schönauer magazine and you better stay with the orignal length to avoid problems.
I show this as a curiosity here

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