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.41 Swiss, some who use it?
      #253649 - 18/09/14 03:44 AM



Hello.


The old Swiss military caliber, .41 Swiss or 10.4x38 witch it`s it metric name.
Anyone who use it for hunting? Target shooting?

Have come over a original rifle in the caliber, and brass to, new made with centerfire. Yes, the rifle has been converted.


All help is welcome.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #253650 - 18/09/14 03:59 AM

Those old guns used to be found in barrels in antique stores and flea markets for less than a case of beer when I was a kid. No ammo was to be found.

I'll be interested if any Schweizer is doing anything with these old tomato stakes. You never know!

It would be a cool old relic to get up and running.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #253652 - 18/09/14 04:39 AM

was used as a hunting cartridge in switzerland once



http://www.gian-marchet.ch/Patrone-Vetterli-d.htm

it seems they use 300 grains bullets for 44. mag today, dont see if in the original .429 diameter
original ballistik is around 425 m/sec what makes it a roe deer cartridge only

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: lancaster]
      #253656 - 18/09/14 05:43 AM

Thank you for the reply and information.
A 300 gr bullet at 420-430 m/sec will be a good short range roe deer caliber.

It is a interesting caliber/rifle.
How was these old Vetterli rifles? Good for its time?

Edited by vegard_dino (18/09/14 05:49 AM)

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #253660 - 18/09/14 08:33 AM

I shoot targets with a Vetterli that I converted to centerfire.
It has a .429 bore that is in perfect shape.
For bullets i cast them from a Lee mould meant for the 44 magnum. It weighs 310 grains.
I make my brass from 8mm Lebel brass.
Lee makes dies for the 41 Swiss.
It's a fun round to shoot, low recoil, accurate enough to keep me interested ( 3" 5 shot groups @ 100 yards), rainbow trajectory and of course the funny looks you get from others are priceless.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #253668 - 18/09/14 06:00 PM



Iowa_303
Hello.
Oh, a 3" 5 shoot group is very good.
Jepp, the look of the rifle is a bit, well not odd but not "modern"

Have you taken it out hunting?
Can I ask what fps you load it to?

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #253681 - 18/09/14 08:50 PM

No hunting so far with this rifle. I have thought about it but have not done it yet.
My loads are running between 1100-1200 fps (335-365 mps).
This is adequate for short range deer hunting with a properly placed bullet.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #253700 - 19/09/14 12:53 AM



Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I guess it will be an ideal short range, woods rifle, with that load/caliber.
More or less like a 44 mag.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: vegard_dino]
      #253744 - 20/09/14 02:45 AM

Try this site for conversion to centerfire, case forming and loading of cartridges.
http://www.militaryrifles.com/Switzerland/VetConversion/VetterliShooting.html

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #253745 - 20/09/14 03:09 AM

it seems the hunting load for veterli rifles since 1904 was the 10,4x42R CF





42mm center fire against 38mm rimfire only because of the reduced capacity of a center fire case(solid base). I cant see that chambers were cut for the longer case so maybe it fits into original rifles.
if the barrel measure .430 - .431 you will be fine with 300 grains .429 softpoints for hunting.

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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: lancaster]
      #254661 - 06/10/14 01:23 AM

old pic with a veterli in the alps



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Re: .41 Swiss, some who use it? [Re: lancaster]
      #254669 - 06/10/14 02:34 AM

Local chap here has one - converted it to CF long time ago and only did this so he could shoot it as it was a rimfire rifle.
I do think he used some .429" .44 mag bullets I gave him- probably 275gr. SWC as that is all I shot back then - thinking back about 35 years - seems to me he shot a black bear with that rifle - maybe a young bull moose too.

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